Jannero Pargo vs. Shannon Brown

[Qt525i]

I hope this title isn't misleading and people don't think I have info on some 1 on 1 pickup game.
Jannero Pargo just signed with the Bulls. The article said it was for around the $2million they had left under the luxury tax limit.

That's roughly the same per year that Shannon will be making.
Both have some triangle experience.

Who do you think would be a better backup point guard?
Do either have starting pg potential on the Lakers?
If you HAD TO, who would you start?

I think Pargo's offense is a bit more lethal, but Shannon was pretty consistent when he got minutes.
I thought Pargo's rights were still held by New Orleans?

Lol.. Shannon is buff, but in the vids of him and Artest signing. He looks tiiiny. Crazy.
Thoughts?

ALSO, who is the better deal for $2 million per?

[Gerald3Wallace]

give by sbreezy

he is 23 compared to jannero who is 29 hitting 30.

his athleticism is off the charts and i think his defense commitment is there.

and btw..artest is 6'7 250..of course he browns gonna look smaller

[lakersfanatic]

Pargo has been around the league longer so he has that veteran experience on court which helps alot but being a PG, i think age makes a lot of difference. U're constantly dribbling, running around, passing..etc.. so i think Shannon would still make a better fit for us.
Shannon is young and strong for a guy that doesn't workout much as well as very athletic. That explosiveness is what is needed.

[alfurd]

Yeah you get something very different with each player. Brown isn't necessarily a better player but he seems like he would be a better complement to the other players than Pargo, e.g. would pairing Pargo with Kobe in the back court be as effective as with Brown in there instead?

In the open market Pargo is a better bang for the buck. He's not really a point guard though, maybe by position but not by role... an extreme comparison of that would be Allen Iverson.

[Dr Aki]

pargo doesnt play defense though

sure, he has triangle exp

sure, he was practically the entire hornets 2007/08 bench

but he didnt play defense.

and thats what makes shannon brown more valuable to the lakers than pargo

[doozyj]

Pargo is garbage. Never liked him at all with the Lakers. He ranks down there with Lindsey Hunter, Chucky Atkins, Medevenko, Mihm, Radmonovich as players that are crap. IMHO of course.

Oh yeah, forgot Smush, but he was much much worse. He is dog ****.

[KObe Bryant]

Shannon > Pargo

[Qt525i]

This was my first topic post so i'm glad people are responding.
I think, if the focus was winning championships right now-forseeable future, Pargo could be argued.

I'm a fan of Brown though.
He already fits his role and I hope he surpasses Farmar permanently.
We need defense/Shannon more than Pargo/offense.

Pargo basically being the Hornets' bench was a great point though.
Shannon should be a good transition player to the non-Kobe days if he stays.

Any thoughts on what factors will influence his 2nd-year player option?

[The Skyhook]

This was my first topic post so i'm glad people are responding.
I think, if the focus was winning championships right now-forseeable future, Pargo could be argued.

I'm a fan of Brown though.
He already fits his role and I hope he surpasses Farmar permanently.
We need defense/Shannon more than Pargo/offense.

Pargo basically being the Hornets' bench was a great point though.
Shannon should be a good transition player to the non-Kobe days if he stays.

Any thoughts on what factors will influence his 2nd-year player option?

You would think play time would have to be a factor. Lakers can run a 3 PG rotation with Fisher/Farmar/Brown. Brown might not get that much play time at the PG position this season but this could also be Derek Fisher's final season. So Brown would be able to get more play time at the point. Also if Sasha continues to play bad, then Brown could play as a SG. I think the biggest factor is how Brown plays. If Brown plays really good and other teams show interest in him then he could opt out and test the market in hopes of recieveing more money.

[Dexmor]

29 teams Pargo.

Lakers-Brown by a mile.



Shannon will start be our starting pg for the next 5 at least unless a fluke trade or signing happens for a star pg. They might let Fisher start this year being his last year and all but in after 5 games Brown would take the starting job and here is why

1.He is a sg, listed as sg and played sg whole career. I would rather have a 2 in the triangle offense at the point then a point. A point is just having a short guy for no reason and wasting a playmakers talents.

2.He is an excellent 3 point shooter. Yes Pargo can shoot the3 to but that's really his only thing.

3.He is not 6'7 like Ron Harper but he is 6'3 and very muscler and played sg his whole career so he is used to guarding big players. He can guard the sg's and even sf's. Yes sg's and sf's. Phil used to run a defensive skem with the sf/sg/pg rotating on D and switching off and now they can do that again.

4,He can guard any pg and guard them well. He hasn't even come close to his potential on the defensive end either. Think about a starting year with Kobe and Artest teaching him D and Phil as well. He is quick enough to guard the fastest pg and more muscular then I think every single pg out there. Kobe/Artest/Brown gives us the best defensive peremiter team in league.

5.He is super athletic and can get to the rim. Pargo is pretty skinny and I don't see him dunking on anybody. Assuming the Lakers resign Odom they go with Gasol/Odom/Artest/Kobe/Brown. They can play an uptempo offense because Gasol is faster then all centers, Odom faster then pf's and with Artest and Kobe getting steals and turnovers they Brown will be getting brake away dunks. Dunks on people in traffic and with confidence he can go to the rack in the halfcourt. Pargo can what pull up and take a long range shot compared to a dunk?

6.I know he won't keep it up but per 37 minutes last year he averaged roughly 16 points 5 rebounds a steal and 2.5 assists. Of couse low assists but our pg's don't get assists our sg's and forwards do. He averaged 52 percent from the field and 66 percent from 3.
In the playoffs which you know he was nervous while chaning position from sg to halfsg (laker pg is not full pg) per 39 minutes he averaged 15 points 3 boards and 1.5 steals. His % was 43 from the field and 48 from 3. To do that in the playoffs and last games of season means something.
If he starts he will get into a groove and he will score more and shoot well and get into hot steaks. That was a total of 40 games. I know playing with the starters means less shots but it also means more open shots easy baskets, alley opps with his athletism (he can be in a dunk contest) so you gota think with Fisher gone next year Brown will average no less then 13 and possibly 16 if he reaches his full potential.

7.He is only in his 3rd year and he has only played 92 regular season games, WIth the amount of minutes he has played he is basically coming off a rookie year and he is only 23.

8.Kobe and Artest-Brown is even listed at 6'4 some places so Im guessing he is a legit 6'3 so he will probably be playing 1 on 1 with Kobe and Artest all the time. I think that alone will make him so much better. They say he doesn't work out. I don't know if that was a joke but if it's true them 2 can take him under there wing, work out with him he would probably be the strongest guard in the league. Since he is athletic and can score in a number of ways and play D they will want to teach him. Pargo I don't see that happening with. Pargo is just another backup stopgap.

9.Pargo will be going into his 7th season and he always averages a low percentages from the field he just shoots a decent 3ball. He has to take alot of shots to average 8 points and he aint getting better. The Chris Paul's will blow by him and the Billups will kill him in the post. Potentially Brown can blow by anybody and post up anybody and nobody has those advantages on him, of course people can score on anybody but you get it.


I was very upset when the Lakers signed Brown for 2 years because if Treva Ariza can get the full midlevel if im right and Brown gets even 13 points a game he is gonna get a big offer. We should of signed him to a 5 year deal. Even if I was wrong just to have a backup 1/2 is worth it but he is something else. I didn't see his potential when he was on the Bobcats because in that system it wasn't there. In the triangle he could be a stud. There could literally be times if Bynum is out they go to Gasol first then Artest and Brown third and of course Kobe waits to the 4th quarter.

[Dexmor]

Shannon will take over as the guy in LA that the Lakers completely overrate who is a fan fav like Ariza last year and Bynum before the injury.

If Farmar doesn't get any offers from anybody else and we can keep him for about 5 years 20 million as a backup for Brown I would do that to just in case Phil Jackson leaves and lets say they decide to go with Jeff Van Gundy or somebody who doesn't coach the triangle Brown will probably not be the pg although if we have Odom maybe because Odom/Kobe/Artest all ball handlers but most coaches want pg's and Farmar is a real pg.

It doesn't matter if Farmar has a bad season or a bad half season because he is a real pg with potential and young and it can take pg's 5 years to get it sometimes like Harris and Nash.


With this team assuming Odom is there I keep Sun as the backup 1/2/3 behind Brown and Farmar and Sasha as well cause there both 6'7 and shooters.

[TonyMontana]

Im not going to write a term paper on this thread and I'll make my answer real easy.
Shannon Brown over Pargo anyday.

[daddyfivestar]

Penberthy > Pargo

[Danny Darko]

I love Browns willingness to do whatever we asked, his D, and his magic ability to start hitting open 3's... which is a bad sign for Trevor btw. Shows how much people benefit from having open corners in our system.

omg Dex... are you getting carpal tunnel yet?

[TonyMontana]

I love Browns willingness to do whatever we asked, his D, and his magic ability to start hitting open 3's... which is a bad sign for Trevor btw. Shows how much people benefit from having open corners in our system.

omg Dex... are you getting carpal tunnel yet?

If you watched the Artest signing you could see how humble and happy Shannon was. I mean he stood by the wall and watched Artest signing his contract and all he said was it was a blessing being a part of this franchise. I like Shannon he's got heart and desire to win. He's still young and he knows he has a great chance to win another title with this team and he knows payday is around the corner and he is willing to learn and contribute to this team in any way possible.

[Tonyism74]

Pargo is a poors mans Ben Gordon...Brown is an all around better player I think...with natural atheletecism and nuch better defense. Much more versatile.

[DEEP3CL]

Pargo is garbage. Never liked him at all with the Lakers. He ranks down there with Lindsey Hunter, Chucky Atkins, Medevenko, Mihm, Radmonovich as players that are crap. IMHO of course.

Oh yeah, forgot Smush, but he was much much worse. He is dog ****.

Yeah that's pretty much emptying the trash out. Great post doozyj.

[daddyfivestar]

Tierre Brown?

[Dexmor]

I got carpel and both index fingers kill me but I want to be a writer.

[AmusingFiddle]

Hands down Shannon Brown is my pick over JP. SB is more athletic and has untapped potential.