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Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:56 pm
by Jordan-esque
BLACK = Regular game Stats average
RED = Stats average against Ron Artest

by Jordan-esque


LEBRON JAMES
Record 3W - 7L
PTS 27.5 -- FG% .471 -- 3P% .328 -- FTA 8.8 -- REB 7.0 -- AST 6.7 -- TOV 3.3
PTS 24.6 -- FG% .447 -- 3P% .231 -- FTA 7.1 -- REB 5.8 -- AST 5.3 -- TOV 5.1


CARMELO ANTHONY
Record 5W - 7L
PTS 24.2 -- FG% .460 -- 3P% .307 -- FTA 7.7 -- REB 6.1 -- AST 3.1 -- TOV 3.1
PTS 19.9 -- FG% .411 -- 3P% .250 -- FTA 4.8 -- REB 5.4 -- AST 2.3 -- TOV 3.2


DWYANE WADE
Record 2W - 6L
PTS 25.2 -- FG% .483 -- 3P% .285 -- FTA 9.3 -- REB 4.9 -- AST 6.7 -- TOV 3.8
PTS 23.1 -- FG% .467 -- 3P% .188 -- FTA 9.3 -- REB 5.4 -- AST 6.8 -- TOV 4.9


BRANDON ROY
Record 4W - 5L
PTS 19.8 -- FG%.465 -- 3P% .363 -- FTA 5.4 -- REB 4.6 -- AST 5.1 -- TOV 1.9
PTS 17.4 -- FG% .415 -- 3P% .278 -- FTA 3.7 -- RPG 5.1 -- AST 5.3 -- TOV 2.7


VINCE CARTER
Record 9W - 11L
PTS 23.5 -- FG% .447 -- 3P% .376 -- FTA 6.0 -- REB 5.5 -- AST 4.3 -- TOV 2.4
PTS 20.4 -- FG% .479 -- 3P% .455 -- FTA 4.2 -- RPG 4.2 -- AST 4.0 -- TOV 2.8


PAUL PIERCE
Record 9W - 10L
PTS 22.9 -- FG% .443 -- 3P% .366 -- FTA 7.8 -- REB 6.3 -- AST 3.9 -- TOV 3.1
PTS 21.3 -- FG% .436 -- 3P% .393 -- FTA 7.1 -- REB 5.8 -- AST 3.9 -- TOV 3.4


Records indicate each players Head-to-Head W/L record against Artest.

Worth noting above are the lower PTS (points), FG% (field goal %), FTA (free throw attempts), and the higher TOV (turnovers).

This doesn't necessarily mean that Artest was guarding these players every single minute of the whole entire game, it is however a visual tool to see the on-going trend that all these players average when they go up against a team with Artest.

Looking at the numbers, Artest seems uniquely successful guarding these players, holding a Head-to-Head team win record against them all: 46W - 32L; that's almost a 60% win percentage.

These players are: all down their PTS average -- most below their FG% -- all below their FTA per game -- with a pretty high TOV rate.

James stats across the board from PTS, AST, REB, FG%, 3P%, and even FTA are notably lower than his average, most especially the fact that he struggles with TOV against Artest, practically turning the ball over more so than his average - almost a whopping 2 turnovers more per game.

Anthony seems to be struggling too, and doesn't look to be getting to the charity stripe much when Artest is on him, from 7.7 FTA down to 4.8 FTA while scoring 5 points less per game, not to mention, scoring them at a lower FG%.

Wade on the other hand, has his PTS and FG% down, yet still finds a way to get to the free throw line, averaging exactly the same 9.3 FTA per game.

Roy has found it difficult to consistently find his shooting touch against Artest, with both FG% and 3P% down almost 4% and 9% respectively.

Carter is the only player with a higher FG% than his norm. Also telling is that Carter's 3P% gets a big boost, while his FTA are down nearly a good 2 attempts per game, signifying he likely depends on the long range perimeter shot to get his points against Artest, instead of driving it to the paint and to the free throw line.

Pierce seems to be the only player not too overly affected. His stats against Artest are a little lower, but still consistent with his regular average.

For the sake of fun, here's Artest's numbers comparison against Bryant:

KOBE BRYANT:
Record 15W - 5L
PTS 25.1 -- FG% .455 -- 3P% .341 -- FTA 7.7 -- REB 5.3 -- AST 4.6 -- TOV 2.9
PTS 27.6 -- FG% .481 -- 3P% .408 -- FTA 8.4 -- REB 5.7 -- AST 6.1 -- TOV 3.6


Bryant seems to be the only one with a winning Head-to-Head team record against Artest, as well higher stats across the board with PTS, FTA, FG%, and 3P% average. Yikes! A Black Mamba indeed.

:o

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:00 pm
by Dexmor
This was a good post. Thank you for that. Is there anyway you can find these same stats from 2006 on? If not it's cool but Artest has changed a little bit defensively.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:41 pm
by Erik Eleven
Interesting numbers.

Would be fun to see Ariza's numbers in there, too. :lol:

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:55 pm
by The Skyhook
Nice good to know that some guys numbers are lower against Artest.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:58 pm
by Dexmor
Of course they are. Remember I know it was a long time ago but he held Spree to 0 points for the first time in his career.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:01 pm
by dockingsched
nice work there getting those numbers. those players represent most of the elite teams that are the only teams the lakers should be concerned about.

only player missing is richard jefferson

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:14 pm
by Magic Mamba
Nice Post

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:44 pm
by SashAlex
Nicely done !

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:49 pm
by joe.linnen
I can't wait to see Kobe and Artest take on some of these other players this year

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:52 pm
by lakersfanatic
I like these stats.. proof to show that he still got his defense going.
I would love to see these stats against arizas, but im pretty sure they pretty much even out..
But more advantage to Ron ron since he's bigger built so he can take on bigger guys if he has to. Ariza body was built more for speed and slashing, i remember him having problems guarding carmelo.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:58 pm
by dockingsched
lakersfanatic wrote:I like these stats.. proof to show that he still got his defense going.
I would love to see these stats against arizas, but im pretty sure they pretty much even out..
But more advantage to Ron ron since he's bigger built so he can take on bigger guys if he has to. Ariza body was built more for speed and slashing, i remember him having problems guarding carmelo.


i don't know about that. these stats go back quite a few yrs.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:01 pm
by The Skyhook
Is there anyway we could check their numbers vs Artest last season. This appears to be career averages. The only reason why I ask is because Artest is much older and these numbers are averaged in the with the seasons where some of these guys were just starting their NBA careers and Artest was in his prime defensively. I would like to see most recent numbers to see if Artest is still as effective even though he is older.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:03 pm
by dockingsched
i think taking last yrs averages would be the most helpful, unfortunately that was the yr he played with shane battier, who probably got the toughest defensive assignment more often than not, especially wade/roy/carter

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:27 pm
by Dexmor
dcash4 wrote:i think taking last yrs averages would be the most helpful, unfortunately that was the yr he played with shane battier, who probably got the toughest defensive assignment more often than not, especially wade/roy/carter



He's right. You have to look at the year before when he was on the Kings.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:54 pm
by kooner
good post

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:00 pm
by Danny Darko
what a great post in the offseason lull... thank you.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:13 pm
by CowsMoo
How about the fact that he also played alongside Battier. Doesn't that contribute to the stats?

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:22 pm
by djericho
CowsMoo wrote:How about the fact that he also played alongside Battier. Doesn't that contribute to the stats?


+1

or
is that battier played alongside Artest?

j/k
I wasn't up on Battier until 2 seasons ago...
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but yea...
excellent post, I don't see ariza being a vocal player on this team, but artest sure will be, so team defense should get better

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:49 pm
by Dexmor
That is gonna be awesome, Artest being a leader defensively.

Re: Ron Artest - Defensive Stats vs Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, etc.

Posted: Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:53 pm
by lakersfanatic
dcash4 wrote:
lakersfanatic wrote:I like these stats.. proof to show that he still got his defense going.
I would love to see these stats against arizas, but im pretty sure they pretty much even out..
But more advantage to Ron ron since he's bigger built so he can take on bigger guys if he has to. Ariza body was built more for speed and slashing, i remember him having problems guarding carmelo.


i don't know about that. these stats go back quite a few yrs.


Oops.. should have paid more attention.. thanks for pointing that out. I guess only a year then but that would mean the comparison won't be so accurate or i mean averaged out .. oh well. I still like ron ron's numbers