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The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:02 am
by dockingsched
i'll copy and paste the lakers/NVE relevant stuff, but its a league wide story.


http://deadspin.com/5336974/an-assist-f ... -the-books

In January 1997, the Lakers' Nick Van Exel handed out 23 assists in a 95-82 victory over Vancouver, a feat less attributable to his sharpshooting teammates than to the numbers-fudging Lakers fan working the Grizzlies' scorer's table.up some numbers, and SportsCenter might just bring itself to show a Grizzlies highlight.

Which is how, one night in Vancouver, Nick Van Exel nearly tied Magic Johnson's team record for assists in a game...

Partly because I disagreed with the blatant stat manipulation (that I did) and partly because I'm a Laker fan, I gave Nick Van Exel like 23 assists one game. If he was vaguely close to a guy making a shot, I found a way to give him an assist. Afterwards, I fully expected someone to talk to me about it. Indeed they did. A senior management guy - "great job Alex, that'll get this game on Sportscenter tomorrow morning!" We (VAN) lost badly, of course.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,182998

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:08 am
by Anklebreaker702
Doesn't surprise me cash, this is how people are now a days. Manipulation over integrity. Goes on in almost all walks of life. It's a shame.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:28 am
by Patterns
Chris Paul

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:17 am
by Sofa King
Patterns wrote:Chris Paul


I'll raise you Steve Nash.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:39 am
by Slava
WTF, I thought this kind of crap ended with the ABA.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:14 am
by slickgreek
Oh kind of like Lebrons triple doubles...unbelieavable. This is a shock to me....

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:22 am
by Sofa King
Kobe scored 81 right?

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:51 pm
by bastosbruddah
slickgreek wrote:Oh kind of like Lebrons triple doubles...unbelieavable. This is a shock to me....


+1

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:45 pm
by supaflash
I've been saying the last few years that assists in general have been somewhat overrated because of how they are tracked. I started a big thing with some NO fans that CP3's numbers were inflated, I wrote a huge article about it when he was in the race for MVP with Kobe that year. I watched a couple of NO games in a row and counted the assists and both times he ended up with 2 or 3 more then what I counted. A real obvious one was when they were playing GS toward the end of the year I did it again and CP3 was having an AWFUL game against Baron, and the whole NO team was shooting like 30% and CP3 had to sit out long stretches because of foul trouble and yet I look up at the stats and he had like 11 assists showing when I had counted 5 mayyybe 6 if you were generous...

Not to say that he or Steve Nash or Deron or Kidd are any less of players, they are still quite amazing BUT it does say a little bit about the overall value of the assist stat when looking at guys.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:00 pm
by The Skyhook
Sofa King wrote:Kobe scored 81 right?

lol they have the highlight reel of every point scored so I believe he did.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:10 pm
by TonyMontana
Sofa King wrote:
Patterns wrote:Chris Paul


I'll raise you Steve Nash.

:lol:

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:53 pm
by SApuro_
Where are the checks and balances? It would have been ashamed if a bum like NVE were to surpass magic just because of a some scorekeeper lacked integrity.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:17 pm
by The Skyhook
One of the first things that comes to mind with this is Lebron James MSG triple double. He was given a triple double but soon one rebound was taken away from him after reviewing it.

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:56 pm
by miggs
:nonono:

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:25 pm
by Shiggity
so assists are the silicone breasts of the league while points are the real deal? wonder what rebounds are then

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:22 am
by snaquille oatmeal
Shiggity wrote:so assists are the silicone breasts of the league while points are the real deal? wonder what rebounds are then
nose jobs?

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:51 pm
by Verbal
Tummy tucks?

Re: The Nick Van Exel scorekeeper controversy

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:24 pm
by lakersfanatic
i guess once the hype and crowd gets into it... officials do as well. I guess they want to be noticed as well. Scary thought.