Hoopsworld: Gasol and Artest top 5 at position

Dexmor · Post #1 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:48 pm

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13628

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13636

That is fantastic. If one of us put them both that high we would be homers but apparently we are that good.

We know if Bynum beasts it up he is going in the top 5 at his position of Kobe is #1 at his.

Luffy · Post #2 » by **Luffy** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:36 pm

Thanks for the link. Kobe and Artest are the Top 5 for their respective positions, shooting guard and small forward. Pau Gasol is a Top 5 player for Power Forward or Center. Our lineup is deeeeeep.

Dexmor · Post #3 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:42 pm

Bynum could be top 5 if healthy
Gasol is top 5
Artest top 5
Kobe top 5
Odom was even honarable mention.

Thing is if Duncan and KG decline a decent amount Gasol could possibly be arguably #1.

Post #4 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:51 pm

eh, artest has no business over someone like granger, durant, or a healthy caron.

Luffy · Post #5 » by **Luffy** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:05 pm

You're right about Durant, but Caron's health is always a big "if" and I would take Artest over Granger any day of the week. Artest may be an inefficient offensive player, but Granger's defense is highly suspect. I'd rather have the defensive stalwart Artest over the offensive arsenal in Granger.

Post #6 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:39 pm

granger has REALLY good defense, are u sure you're thinking about the right player?

Dexmor · Post #7 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:49 pm

Granger defense is incedible. He guards 3 positions and I would say he gives Lebron problems as much as anybody. Granger is the most underrated player in the league.

Notice they said Gasol has a KG like mean streak. We are really tough now with Gasol-Kobe-Ron being our core.

Luffy · Post #8 » by **Luffy** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:29 pm

IMHO, I'd still say Granger's defense is overrated. He's a great leader, great scorer, but I wouldn't say he's Top 5 at his position for defense. This dates back to two years at New Mexico, when I watched the Lobos while my brother was attending (2005 alum). He's a solid perimeter defender and does contest shots, but he gambles for steals a little too often and gives up some bad fouls when he's guarding other forwards. People say his rebounding is pretty good, but I'd point out he didn't even crack the Top 10 for rebounding at his position except in the 2007-2008 NBA season. I guess the biggest thing is that even though he's very athletic and has a lot of muscle for his position, he gets burned pretty bad by the more speedier small forwards.

I have to say I haven't watched Granger's games in the past couple of years. But I guess I am a little biased because I've seen him play since his junior year in college... and because he's a Lobo.

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:37 pm

i'd put durant, granger and a healthy caron ahead of artest

Dexmor · Post #10 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:45 pm

Yeah he must of really improved his D because I watched him in college to which is why I alsmot had a heart attack when we passed on him and his D has gotten way better. He is 6'8 and long and has the lateral quickness to guard the sg's as he did play sg for a year or 2 and he does a fantastic jobs on the 3's and can give you minutes at the 4.
He can also play point forward.

Luffy · Post #11 » by **Luffy** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:46 pm

hermes wrote:i'd put durant, granger and a healthy caron ahead of artest

Healthy Caron, Healthy McGrady, Healthy G. Wallace... all oxymorons. They are all extremely talented when healthy. But these past several seasons these players all have been unfortunately cursed with the injury bug.

Asianiac_24 · Post #12 » by **Asianiac_24** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:47 pm

Gasol is def. top 5, not Artest though IMO. My rankings for SF would be:

1. LBJ
2. Melo
3. Pierce
4. Durant
5. Granger

And the Shooting guard list is wrong. Where's Brandon Roy?

Post #13 » by **Slava** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:03 pm

Like you guys said, Caron is a different level from Ron Artest in terms of offense and though not as accomplished, he's a solid defender too.

Dexmor · Post #14 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:10 pm

I take a healthy Artest over a healthy Caron anyday. You have to look at Artests numbers in 07-08 when he was healthy and on top of that insane D he was still a 20 point a game scorer.
Plus he can handle and pass better then Caron being able to play point forward.

Post #15 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:29 pm

Dexmor wrote:Granger defense is incedible. He guards 3 positions and I would say he gives Lebron problems as much as anybody. Granger is the most underrated player in the league.

Notice they said Gasol has a KG like mean streak. We are really tough now with Gasol-Kobe-Ron being our core.

webster's dictionary wrote:incedible

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Dexmor · Post #16 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:55 pm

I meant incredable. If that is spelled wrong Im sorry for offending you.

Granger is fantastic. How about that.

Dr Aki · Post #17 » by **Dr Aki** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:25 pm

"incredible", missed the r the first time, replaced the i with an a the second time

anyhoo, im not sure why they wont include other plays capable of playing the SF position

tbh, kobe, roy would make the top 5 in SF as well

Tommy Trojan · Post #18 » by **Tommy Trojan** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:13 am

dcash4 wrote:eh, artest has no business over someone like granger, durant, or a healthy caron.

Artest > granger, durant, or a healthy caron

hermes · Post #19 » by **hermes** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:35 am

Dexmor wrote:I take a healthy Artest over a healthy Caron anyday. You have to look at Artests numbers in 07-08 when he was healthy and on top of that insane D he was still a 20 point a game scorer.
Plus he can handle and pass better then Caron being able to play point forward.

you mean he hasn't been healthy since 07-08???

Anklebreaker702 · Post #20 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:40 am

Luffy wrote:IMHO, I'd still say Granger's defense is overrated. He's a great leader, great scorer, but I wouldn't say he's Top 5 at his position for defense. This dates back to two years at New Mexico, when I watched the Lobos while my brother was attending (2005 alum). He's a solid perimeter defender and does contest shots, but he gambles for steals a little too often and gives up some bad fouls when he's guarding other forwards. People say his rebounding is pretty good, but I'd point out he didn't even crack the Top 10 for rebounding at his position except in the 2007-2008 NBA season. I guess the biggest thing is that even though he's very athletic and has a lot of muscle for his position, he gets burned pretty bad by the more speedier small forwards.

I have to say I haven't watched Granger's games in the past couple of years. But I guess I am a little biased because I've seen him play since his junior year in college... and because he's a Lobo.

You're right Luffy. Granger is mostly offense & has shown to be streaky with his shooting at times. Don't get me wrong, he's a helluva offensive player but his defense is suspect at best. I don't understand how these guys are being mentioned over Artest at all. Artest averaged 17.1 PPG last season & that was down from his previous 2 seasons, so he is very efficient offensively if he is needed. I don't think there's a better defensive SF in the league including LBJ.