Would you bench Fish and give A.I a starting role?

TonyMontana · Post #1 » by **TonyMontana** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:09 pm

Would you bench Fish and give A.I a starting role TODAY.

Simple as that.

Fish is basically done, he isnt contributing anything like he was before. A.I wants to start and the Grizz have givin him an option. Play or leave. My guess is he will leave. We are in a desperate need of a P.G and we know Farmar isnt our answer. Shannon obviously is but P.J isnt willing to start him.

So we go to A.I. the same player that the Nuggs traded C.B for. I know he is leaving the Grizz and if he does lets take a shot at him and give him a starting role. If it doesnt work out what do we have to lose???

Lets not be homers about this, we do need a P.G that can run this offense and I think under P.J Kobe A.I will behave the same way Artest has been behaving.

Im all for it. I mean anything right now is better than the ish bags we have.

LAKERLAW · Post #2 » by **LAKERLAW** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:22 pm

Would you jump out of a plane without a parachute?
simple as that.

Post #3 » by **Danny Darko** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:33 pm

seems like we have about 4 parallel threads right now discussing the same topic. hmmm

TonyMontana · Post #4 » by **TonyMontana** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:37 pm

LAKERLAW wrote:Would you jump out of a plane without a parachute?
simple as that.

Brah right now we are jumping off a plane without a parachute and a freakin elephant strapped to our backs.

Post #5 » by **Danny Darko** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:37 pm

and my answer is nooooope

TonyMontana · Post #6 » by **TonyMontana** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:41 pm

Danny Darko wrote:seems like we have about 4 parallel threads right now discussing the same topic. hmmm

Really my bad Danny............ I didnt see anything in regards of A.I. so I figured we need a P.G and A.I has been givin a deadline and the fact he wants to start with a team that is in contention.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4631552

My bad brah. You can join them together if you like. :wink:

The_Whole_Truth · Post #7 » by **The_Whole_Truth** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:59 pm

Um. No.

What is the deal with the complete misunderstanding of our offense on this board. Is everyone just playing fantasy basketball?

DFish provides exactly what we need. Yes it would be awesome if he hit 100% of his shots and could guard everyone from Nate Robinson to Chauncey Billups but no player can do that.

Why do we need another shoot first guard. If you think AI would work, prove it out mathematically. Show me where we would get his shots. Break it down player by player. We are attempting about 86 shots per game right now.

Kobe - 23
Bynum - 11
Artest - 10
Odom - 9
Fish - 7

The rest of the team is taking 26 shots. Keep in mind we still need 13-15 shots for Pau Gasol to come from somewhere. AI was taking almost 9 shots per game this year in three games with Memphis while playing five less minutes than DFish plays for us.

With five starters averaging almost 36 minutes each, that leaves only a total of 60 minutes to be split among five positions for the entire bench. SO, if you assume Gasol takes 36 of that, we now have only 24 minutes of bench time remaining which does not sound like a lot. BUT when you consider that we had only 26 shots for the bench and Gasol just took 14 of those, that leaves us with 12 shots for 24 minutes of play which is going to be tough if you add in a guy like Iverson and upset the balance of our shot distribution.

TonyMontana · Post #8 » by **TonyMontana** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:16 pm

The_Whole_Truth wrote:Um. No.

What is the deal with the complete misunderstanding of our offense on this board. Is everyone just playing fantasy basketball?

Misunderstanding???? Haaaaaaa???

Where is the misunderstanding on our guards suck, maybe your looking at our team as chemistry project instead of how basketball should be played, also Im not going to sit here and take an Algebra test for you because I see no logic in your way you analyze the game.

Your talking about offense only but you fail to mention defense. As of now we are getting killed on defense by our P.G and I know A.I can play much better D than Jordan and Fish combined. As far as touches, sure you have a point there but Fish is 5.9ppg with those touches which is 24-72, and Jordan is 4.8 ppg is 16-48. In other words they suck.

SnakefromHell · Post #9 » by **SnakefromHell** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:29 pm

Nugget fan here, not trolling here, but I think it's a good idea.

Think about it, since D-Fish's legs are like 35 yrs old, he can't guard anyone anymore anyway. LA's biggest weakness is currently at the spot, teams are going to watch the Brooks trend now... he lighted you guys up in 2009 playoffs, and he dropped another 33 pts. You guys just cant guard speedy guards.

We Nuggets get Ty Lawson for this very Brooks experiment, well besides that he lasted all the way to 18th.

At least by starting AI, you'd make Brooks and Lawson work a little bit on the other end... AI still got quickness on his feet and could try to keep up with speedy guys. All the smart Phil Jackson needs to say is if he defends, he'd be allowed to take more shots, just try to stay in front of guys, do gamble defense as least as possible, just poke around with his long hands and he'd have more success defensively than Fisher.

I mean, if my team's starting PG was Fisher, I'd consider AI. He only has one year, $3.5 mil, and if starting him fails, just bench him or tell him to go home. In that case, it'll be legitimately proven he's 100% the headcase everytime. :lol:

Mamba Venom · Post #10 » by **Mamba Venom** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:31 pm

Add a ball hog around Kobe Gasol Bynum LO Artest????

SnakefromHell · Post #11 » by **SnakefromHell** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:36 pm

Plenty of ball to share... Phil is smart with his words, he just needs to say the right things like "you don't have to bear responsibility of handling the ball a lot, let the system move the ball, and you'll save your legs not having to beat everyone... and still get your shots."

Post #12 » by **Kilroy** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:36 pm

Iverson is a headcase... And I think there's enough of that going on right now on our team...

I think there's a chance it could work but it certainly seems that whatever team AI goes to suddenly becomes 'his' team... And unlike Ron Ron, AI doesn't even like Kobe, much less idolize him... So the idea that Kobe would reign-in the head-cases, doesn't necessarily apply to AI... AI just seems to think it's his way or the highway... Which is just silly at his age and abillity level...

The only way it'd work is if AI saw coming to LA to compete for a championship as his last chance and that he'd do anything and accept any role to be a part of it...

AI doesn't think that way though.

I might bring him in for some work-outs if I got the word he really wanted to come here... But I wouldn't spend anything significant (time, money, trade-bait) on him... It's just not enough of an upgrade...

No doubt though that Farmar and Sasha have to go and most likely Ammo too... So if we could land a solid, long, starting combo gaurd to compliment 'Speedy-SB'... That'd be great.

I hope it happens, but something tells me it isn't going to.

TonyMontana · Post #13 » by **TonyMontana** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:38 pm

Mamba Venom wrote:Add a ball hog around Kobe Gasol Bynum LO Artest????

Sure I agree with you, but also keep in mind he wants to start and he wants a ring before he retires. If you want to judge him for his past then why did we sign Artest?

I dont think we have anything to lose by signing A.I, if he doesnt workout then so be it what did we lose??

Take a look at Marbury with the Cs, he didnt work out oh well they let him walk. Was he a distraction to the Cs, not at all. But I would take A.I over Marbury anyday specially with our current problem. Again what do we have to lose in giving him a shot?

LAKERLAW · Post #14 » by **LAKERLAW** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:55 pm

We are way too early in the season to be freaking out. We added a new player and havent played with our second best player all season.
my advice = dont trip.

Tekkenlaw · Post #15 » by **Tekkenlaw** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:58 pm

Lakers have a better chance of winning a title with AI over Fish, that said I would prefer to avoid the headache and start Shannon Brown.

Post #16 » by **Slava** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:03 pm

I like the idea of AI but not as a starter. Simply put he's never been a good 3 point shooter and he's never played well off the ball. Making entry passes to Gasol, Kobe & Drew or spotting up from Kobe's drives.. that's not how AI plays his basketball. He'll never be good at that.

Coming off the bench however we have the perfect situation for him. We have no one on the bench who has shown the ability to create offense on their own and if we can put out a line up of Powell/LO/Walton/AI/Shannon on the floor with AI given the green light to shoot or make plays that'd immediately put our bench among one of the best in the league.

For that to happen AI will have to sacrifice his minutes, play a reserve role and be efficient when he gets his time. Will he do that? I don't think so.

Tekkenlaw · Post #17 » by **Tekkenlaw** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:05 pm

AI>>>>>>*takes breath*>>>>>>>>Farmar and Sasha. If he would accept a bench role, you pull the trigger immediately. AI and Odom off the bench? Amazing.

TonyMontana · Post #18 » by **TonyMontana** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:16 pm

LAKERLAW wrote:We are way too early in the season to be freaking out. We added a new player and havent played with our second best player all season.
my advice = dont trip.

Were cool brah and no one is tripping, but keep in mind. We have lost 3 of our 10 to W/C teams as well as the fact that with each game we lose to W/C teams it just might comeback to hunt us in the end of our season if we want to clinch H.C.A. So were cool FOR NOW. :wink:

larry14r · Post #19 » by **larry14r** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:29 pm

Tekkenlaw wrote:AI>>>>>>*takes breath*>>>>>>>>Farmar and Sasha. If he would accept a bench role, you pull the trigger immediately. AI and Odom off the bench? Amazing.

Which he won't, and I would rather shoot myself then see AI in a Laker unifrom.

Post #20 » by **Slava** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:31 pm

AI just got waived according to the Memphis commercial appeal.