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ok, before everyone jumps on my king tuts about this, i know peter vescey is a joke......HOWEVER,,,,,

say YOU had the final say in this trade....

would you do it and why?

why i would do it- it seems like bynum really wont understand how to play alongside another 7 footer. he is a good player, and has potential to remain a perennial allstar for the rest of his career, but he needs his space to be effective, and it actually hurts us in the long run, especially when he's a no-show in the playoffs.

why i wouldnt do it- because bynum is a bigger body. bosh and gasol's games are like clones of each other. i honestly cant think of any 2 other players who have similar games...except that bosh has longer range, and gasol has higher IQ. bynum will be more useful in defending bigs like amare, kg, perkins, dwight, etc etc

whats your take?

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IMO neither team gets significantly better or worse with this trade, but Lakers could do better (at least in the sense of filling their needs) by getting a stud PG and solid inside presence (e.g. a Kendrick Perkins type player).

I would have a hard time trading away Bynum. I like him a lot as a player but I totally agree with the fact that he just can't play along side Pau Gasol. In a way it hurts us because we aren't getting the most out of our 7 footers and it hurts Bynum's development.

On the other hand if we brought in Bosh, I am not sure how that would work out. You already have Kobe and Gasol as the 1 and 2 options. Bynum rarely gets touches and now you bring in a guy who has pretty much established himself in this league. It would become like NBA Jam with only 3 guys getting the ball. I would be really interested in seeing in how anyone else but Bosh/Gasol/Kobe would see the ball.

The Skyhook wrote:I would be really interested in seeing in how anyone else but Bosh/Gasol/Kobe would see the ball.

They don't need to; everyone else just plays defense and brings energy. Three scorers is PLENTY. Artest and Fish can do what they seem to do best...catch and shoot.

iki4life wrote:ok, before everyone jumps on my king tuts about this

What-r-u... Cockney?... In the 1960's?!?!...

Bosh is basically a slightly more athletic, much less skilled version of Gasol with less fire, and a much worse attitude...

Why would we want him at what role would he fill?

We need a big physical guy that can bang in the post, rebound and defend... Great as Bosh is, he's not that guy, and he'd be redundant with Gasol here.

What bothers me about Bosh is that he has a lot of excuses for his teams losing. He always seems to be dissatisfied... But he's the star. I know that in this league today, no one guy can carry a team by himself, but that Toronto team has a lot of talent... I think they underachieve actually... So who's fault is that?

On a purely stat for stat level, bosh is clearly the beter player... But for our team, Bynum is the better fit on paper.

That being said though, I'm pretty much over the whole Bynum project. I just don't see him filling the role he needs to fill on this team... Maybe he'll change my mind in the post season. So if another big came around that fit better, I'd make a deal. Just not for Bosh.

Bosh is going to want a hugh contract when he is a free agent. The Lakers could not afford that. So it might be 1 year and done and Lakers would be without both. Bosh is 25 and still getting better. AB is younger and will get better and he is here for at lease 3-4 more years on his contract. I stick with AB and hope they work it out. 17 points and 18 rebounds last game. Not to bad for a 21-22 year old center.

So here's the real question: Which one is lazier? Which one has the least desire, heart? That's the one I would not want since it appears both have Elden Campbell-itis to some degree.

How about Bynum for a legit PG for once?

TyCobb wrote:How about Bynum for a legit PG for once?

Deron Williams

I think we should give the bynum and gasol experiment this season/playoffs and half a season next year to evaluate them, see if they can still fix it. they still haven't played that long in a full season/playoffs together. bynum could be very useful going against the big teams celtics (perkins), magic (howard), cavs (shaq).

if it doesn't work after this season/playoffs, give them another chance next season. if they still not meshing well together next season, then mitch should take actions.

but honestly I think the simple solution is bynum should focus on denfense and rebounding. be our perkins ( but better of course) or ben wallace. bynum is still young, hes still fixable we can still mold him to whatever type of center we want. right now bynum reminds me of yao

chefy wrote:I think we should give the bynum and gasol experiment this season/playoffs and half a season next year to evaluate them, see if they can still fix it. they still haven't played that long in a full season/playoffs together. bynum could be very useful going against the big teams celtics (perkins), magic (howard), cavs (shaq).

if it doesn't work after this season/playoffs, give them another chance next season. if they still not meshing well together next season, then mitch should take actions.

but honestly I think the simple solution is bynum should focus on denfense. be our perkins ( but better of course) or ben wallace. bynum is still young, hes still fixable we can still mold him to whatever type of center we want. right now bynum reminds me of yao

nuff said

Well, it would be a trade likely to be Bosh+Marcus Banks for Bynum+Ammo+Sasha

So, eh, you get Banks who is like a tad bit better than DFish, but ...

The Skyhook wrote:

TyCobb wrote:How about Bynum for a legit PG for once?

Deron Williams

But I like Bynum and his defensive presence.

I have mixed feelings, overall I don't think we'd be bad off either way... just different

PLUS SIDE: Pau/Odom has always worked well and Pau/Bosh would work equally well, better spacing, better ball movement. I think our defense would get a little better in most ways, I think he would help us defend PnR better and make up for some of our PG defensive deficiencies. And Bosh is a better more active rebounder as well. Overall he is well suited for the triangle and playing with Pau and Odom. He's also I guy I think Kobe knows from the olympics and can trust, and who would buy into the defensive intensity that he and Artest bring. Could solve some chemistry issues off court too with Phil/Bynum Kobe/Bynum Pau/Bynum as I get that none of them really respect the kid still...

MINUS SIDE: The one reason I don't want to give Drew up is that you just don't find skilled size like him often, and he is still young and adjusting. We all forget he's still what 21? 22? And only halfway through this new season? We lose that real deep post threat, easy lobs (bosh can still get a lot of those) and sheer size/length intimidation. Bynum is a HUGE presence, even when he's not playing that great, and he creates so many mismatches for Pau and Odom. You just don't quite get that same with with Bosh. That and he is the only body really capable of holding up against Shaq/Howard/Perk and a few others. He has also not reached his ceiling yet, which still could be even higher. Hard to give up on all that regardless of the minor chemistry issues.

THE BIG BUT: We won a chip with minimal contribution from him last year and we do have DJ for big bodies... Also, is there really that many guys that Bosh or Pau can't defend at least well enough?
Howard - tough even with Drew, but we have a lot of bodies for him and Bosh matches up with the rest of their team better and has played really well vs Howard.
Shaq - Yeah, but he's getting old and forcing him to defend Pau/Bosh on the other end might be better
???? Dampier? sucks Hayward? Meh and its the Wiz ... Oden? not for a long time Yao? Same and can't relaly body him anyway... Kaman? Not physical enough and might be better off vs Pau or Bosh anyway... Really defensively I think we gain more then we loose, just offensively we lose quite a bit. We trade mismatches for better pure offense...

THE OTHER ASPECTS: Salary - Max contract for him will add up, granted we have some exprings and enough will go out to likely make it not much worse then this year, but JB will certainly be paying taxes for a while. Get those staples billionaires to pitch in eh? The other implication of this though is that it will make it extremely hard to aquire any type of PG and might leave us fairly dry in that area. At worst we'd start Brown and have Fish back for vet min and a rookie... at best... who knows. Would he resign is a big issue too, although I think most likely he would and I would think they only do the trade by extending him first. He want's to be the man, but at the same time I think he wants to win AND he loves the media spotlight/acting. I think he would dig LA and get into the Hollywood scene.


OTHER TRADES: Deep has said it before, you just don't trade big for small, its never a good idea. The only way you trade Bynum for a PG is if its a truly trancendant PG. I think DWill and CP3 are the only two guys that fall into this and neither is going to happen. (DWill would be the perfect fit for this team btw, and I know CP3 isn't exactly a triangle PG, I think he and the team would adjust)

Beyond that it would have to be a package deal for a big+PG. Bynum+Farmar for Bogut/Jennings Noah/Rose, Kaman/Gordon and those are all iffy but at least considerable. Also unlikely for most of them to happen.

Overall, I'm mixed. We don't NEED to do it, and we probably shouldn't, but if it went down I don't think we'd be bad off and probably still win the chip.

FINAL WORD - TRULY we should only trade Drew for LeBron or Howard then the maybe crew of Dirk, Dwill, CP3, and Bosh take some deep considering. None of those are at all likely so like some have said we are best just trying to win this year and waiting to see how he develops over a full season and playoffs and see what happens with the 2010 summer when Drew isn't BYC anymore. I think if some of these guys aren't going to stay, teams might be more willing to do a S/T at that point and maybe get a vet PG/Pick in the process...

On a side note though, the one reason I would be happy this happens that has nothing to do with how it affects our team is that I would love to see Bosh (or LeBron) taken out of the 2010 FA crop. I REALLY hope that SnT's happen for at least a few of the main ones because I'd love to see all these cap whore teams left with nothing

You said big but. LOL

Although bynum tend to be lost in the mist of gasol and kobe... his defensive presence is very noticeable. He's young and needs that motivational encouragement.. Bosh is well established and would need to go to a club when the ball is given to him.. Just like how Bynum would be more effective if the ball is given to him more.. But unfortunately due to our stacked team.. it's hard to please everyone.
With Bosh.. we'll probably be a super fast team.. but still not fast enough to guard the perimeter... Which comes down to.. we don't need to trade our bigs because that's not the issue with the taam.. it's our perimeter defense.. we suck at it and we need a legit PG to guard... I think that's why no trade came to fruition with the bosy and bynum talk.. Lakers know what they need and it's a true PG..

As a conference rival I think this trade would be stupid for the Lakers. (Not that it's going to happen anyways) Bosh is so over rated and when you have the scorers on your team like you do it doesn't really make sense. So with that being said I hope it happens lol !

i would also much rather trade for a great young point guard...even if it means letting go of bynum...as long as it brings us deron williams, chris paul, and maybe even tony parker back...

the jazz have already notified that all their players EXCEPT dwill are trade bait...

deron williams
kobe bryant
ron artest
lamar odom
pau gasol

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh paradise

I think Bosh would be a good fit and help our spacing a lot. I dont think our defense would see a big drop off -- if at all; but if it were up to me, I'd keep Bynum. I just like his upside too much. He's young and could potentially end up being game changing on both ends. I dont know if his impact on the game will ever be as good as Bosh's right now, but its certainly possible. Not to mention the price of both. I'll keep Bynum.

whaaawww! Bynum can't play with Gasol! whaaawwww! well what happens if Gasol gets injured and Bosh leaves for a bigger paycheck? who will hold the fort? Mbangin' Mbenga?
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