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Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:27 am
by BCT
First I just wanna say that it's not my money to spend and I understand that. But I still have an opinion.
From my point of view it looks like Mitch wasn't very creative in the trade process.
Why didn't Mitch make the trade for Hinrich and then worry about trading Sasha this summer after we locked up another Championship?
Buss has to pay the luxury tax this year anyways so what that difference. I believe that Buss concern was paying extra tax next year with Hinrich's salary added without trading Sasha.
The right move was to acquire Hinrich at any cost and dump Sasha this Summer.
This was a case where saving money became more important than winning another Championship.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:01 am
by slifersd
I am disappointed by the fact that we couldn't get something done too. But the issue with Hinrich was that the Bulls no longer needed/wanted to trade him for chump change once they got rid of Salmons. The Bulls organization rates Hinrich very very highly and they were only going to trade him for nothing out of desperation. Once Salmons was gone, they cleared enough cap space for Wade so there was no need to trade Hinrich any more.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:57 am
by The Laker Kid
I'm somewhat dissapointed, but not really. Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:54 am
by Edrees
we've developed a rhythym and chemistry. Mark my words but if the lakers play with this kind of effort, ball movement, and intensity with kobe in the lineup, this no trade is better than cleveland's pickup of jamison (as in, we'd improve more than they improve)
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:18 am
by laduane1
Lakers could have got someone. No one wants to help us with out ripping us apart. With Luke out, we could have tried to find someone who could fill his spot. I bet there were some options, we just did not push it hard enough.
Time to buy out Adam Morrison.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:27 am
by Tee212
disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss? spoiled ass
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:28 am
by Jajwanda
Why when a decent answer is on your team?
Ever get the feeling that ownership and management feel that it's Phil that's not maximizing the team given to him?
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:32 am
by Danny Darko
don't bee too sad. Our owner pays more than any other, our GM put together a championship team. Kirk would have been nice, but so it goes.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:38 am
by Sofa King
Danny Darko wrote:don't bee too sad. Our owner pays more than any other, our GM put together a championship team. Kirk would have been nice, but so it goes.
+1
I think Laker fans tend to get spoiled.
Yeah, it would have been great for the Lakers to have an All star line up that dominates day in and day out, but we still have a great team.
Even tonight, in a Laker lose, guys hustled and stepped up. Sasha irritates me like no other Laker (well Fisher comes close too) but Sasha showed he was the Machine for one night still.
So you spoiled Laker fans who wished Jerry Buss would spend more of his money, get over it. Lakers are still one of the top teams in the league.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:42 am
by Jajwanda
We're spoiled for asking our 11m a year coach with one of the best Laker rosters ever assembled to bench the biggest weakness on our team?
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:44 am
by microfib4thewin
I can see why anyone would rag on Kupchak during the Kwame era, but I can't see why anyone should criticize him now. He has made all the right moves in the past two years, and Buss might possibly pay 40-60 mil of luxury tax after Kobe gets extended. If this team doesn't win a ring, it's on Phil and the players. The management has already done their best to put this team in the position to win. I was also slightly disappointed they couldn't get Hinrich, but I can see why they would be hesitant on sending only expiring for him.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:46 am
by Jajwanda
Kupchak does what he can with the options that are given to him. He's been nearly flawless since the Kobe Bryant fiasco.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:49 am
by Sofa King
Jajwanda wrote:We're spoiled for asking our 11m a year coach with one of the best Laker rosters ever assembled to bench the biggest weakness on our team?
Yes, spoiled for calling out Mitch and Buss for not getting what you want.
Mitch and Buss have been great for the Lakers. You guys think getting Hinrich was a simple deal when in fact, looking at all the reports, it was not that easy.
The Bulls covet Hinrich and when they made the deal to ship out Salmons, that was enough. That deal pretty much killed sending Hinrich out.
So how is that Mitch and Buss' fault?
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:51 am
by Jajwanda
I just called out Jackson. I didn't ask specifically for Hinrich.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:53 am
by Sofa King
Jajwanda wrote:I just called out Jackson. I didn't ask specifically for Hinrich.
My mistake. I was directing my comments more so on this topic and not on tonights game.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:55 am
by Jajwanda
No no mistake. There have been fifty Jajwanda anger fans on REALGM tonight, tough to remember what I said and didn't say.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:12 pm
by BCT
For those who are saying I'm spoiled you couldn't be more wrong. I've been a fan since 1980. Been through a lot of crap with this Org.
Our glaring weakness is PG. Something should have been done to fix that.
Mitch has done an "okay" job. I can't say great because he signed Sasha and Luke to horrible deals and it has crippled us in negotiations.
In my opinion there isn't any excuse for the trade deadline to pass with having a legit PG.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:37 pm
by picc
As much blame goes to Phil Jackson for our situation as goes to the front office. They refused to trade for a quality PG, but its the coach who keeps putting the team in its weakest position by continuing to play Fisher a majority of minutes. Its not up to the players to make decisions and bench themselves, its up to the coach. Unfortunately we have a coach who's stubborn ego is as big as his paycheck.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:10 pm
by TonyMontana
Sofa King wrote:Jajwanda wrote:We're spoiled for asking our 11m a year coach with one of the best Laker rosters ever assembled to bench the biggest weakness on our team?
Yes, spoiled for calling out Mitch and Buss for not getting what you want.
Mitch and Buss have been great for the Lakers. You guys think getting Hinrich was a simple deal when in fact, looking at all the reports, it was not that easy.
The Bulls covet Hinrich and when they made the deal to ship out Salmons, that was enough. That deal pretty much killed sending Hinrich out.
So how is that Mitch and Buss' fault?
Ya Im with sofa and danny on this one.
We are defending champs and we are the second best team in the league. So what if we didnt get Hinrich. We have weakness in certain areas and the p.g position is one of them, but we can work through it. Farmar has picked up his game, Sasha still sucks balls, Fisher is Fisher and Shanon is playing much better.
Lets move on and keep faith in our teams management since I think they might know more than everyone on here. We're not hurting nor do we need to make changes on our roster to improve our team. It is what it is, peps need to get past this trade.
Re: Pretty disappointed in Mitch and Dr. Buss
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:45 pm
by microfib4thewin
picc wrote:They refused to trade for a quality PG
Again, it's absolutely ridiculous how anyone can blame the FO on this. We got Gasol without giving up any core players, we got Ariza for nothing, got Shannon from a salary dump, resigned Odom(which has helped out much more than I thought), got Artest at a bargain. Now, if this team is at a reasonable payroll then I would question if it was really a good idea to push Sasha's contract onto someone else, but the reality is, ownerships that don't have other business venture have to be conscious on their spending, and they are spending MUCH MORE than the rest of the league. If what the FO is doing right now doesn't satisfy you, all you need to do is look at the 29 other teams where fans have a constant barrage of complaints when it comes to teams avoiding the tax.