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Re: NHL Seattle Expansion 

Post#101 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:39 pm

Scott Hall wrote:A lot of it will depend on how big of a sports fan you are if you're just soccer and casual NBA who knows? I still
say if Seattle goes on a deep playoff run there's no way you'll not get sucked in.

Oh...I'm sure I would. Just not a big enough fan to watch every game (Regular Season). :wink:

NFL= 16 games/College= 12/13

European Soccer= Every game counts (38); No playoff format.

NBA/NHL/MLB= Way too many meaningless Regular Season games
trwi7 wrote:If I was a ref I would just constantly be punching Pete Carroll.

Waylanderz wrote:Seattle. That fan base deserves their team back.
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Re: NHL Seattle Expansion 

Post#102 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:53 pm

https://mynorthwest.com/1352200/keyarena-renovation-delayed-over-budget/?show=comments#comments

KeyArena’s grand reopening has been delayed yet again, threatening the start of the Seattle Storm’s 2021 basketball season, and potentially costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Documents obtained by The Seattle Times show construction costs have ballooned to $900 million dollars. The first price tag put renovations at $600 million dollars, with work originally scheduled to wrap up in time for the 2020 NHL season in October.

That was initially delayed 12 months by the NHL, when it became clear that it wasn’t a feasible date for the end of construction. After that, eyes were trained on the 2021 season for the debut of Seattle’s new hockey team.

The latest estimate has the renovated KeyArena opening closer to June 2021, bumping up against the May start of the Storm’s season, and just four months before the beginning of the NHL season.

Over the last two years, funding estimates have jumped almost continuously, due to skyrocketing labor and building material costs, among other factors. Most recently, the price tag sat at $800 million, back when ground first broke on the renovation back in December 2018.

The rebuild is set to include a 360-foot-long glass atrium, dedicated locker rooms for Seattle’s new NHL team, a potential NBA team, and the Storm, 50,000 square feet of storage, and a 750,000 square foot interior. Capacity for hockey games will seat up around 17,400 people, while basketball will house 18,600.

While the renovation is using all private money, this could still end up impacting Seattle taxpayers. If delays cause the Storm to miss home games, the city would be on the hook for $260,000 for each game the team is forced to relocate.

According to the Times, a new deal between NHL Seattle and the Oak View Group developer caps the renovation’s costs from rising any further. There are no details on whether or not the original plans for the project have been scaled back to account for delays and the need for additional funding.
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Post#103 » by MAS » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:00 pm

So one of the things people aren't noticing about Seattle getting a team is where it is located in the United States. The NHL doesn't have a team in the Northwestern USA. They have the Canucks in that area, but that is obviously in Canada.

So why is this important? The NBC deal is coming up after the 2021 season, which also happens to be when Seattle is planning on entering the league (pending a possible lockout of course).

Having a team in all four corners of the USA is imperative for the NHL if they want a better TV deal in the United States. Right now they are near the end of a 10-year, $2 billion deal with NBC after regrowing the brand after the 2005 lockout. The hope on the NHL side is to create a bidding war with ESPN for the coverage and gain some more media money.

In the early days when the NHL first tried to get a national TV deal it was the original 6 days where it was mostly in the Northeastern USA. The networks laughed in the owners faces because it was essentially a regional sport. That's why the league doubled in it's first expansion in 1967 so it can say it was coast-to-coast.

In a similar context, it is also the reason why it fought so hard to keep Arizona where they are. Had the Coyotes moved to Hamilton in 2008-2010, they wouldn't have had a market in the Southwestern part of the USA, which would have hurt their deal with NBC in 2011. Now, however, Vegas being a much stronger market in that area, I'm not sure the NHL would oppose the Coyotes moving. (See Houston)

As far as Quebec goes, they will never expand there. The purpose of expanding is to create new fans in new markets. Quebec is not a new market nor are they new fans. The fact is, whether or not a team comes back to Quebec City, the population there is already consuming the NHL. There is no pressure for them to move there because of that.

However, just as it was with Winnipeg, should a team in trouble need to move (specifically in the East), they will be the first choice. In the West, Houston will be the first choice if there is relocation just due to the logistics in the schedule re-alignment. Also it was one of the biggest markets in the States that doesn't have a team, and has a history with hockey in the Houston Aeros. The only reason it isn't already there is because Les Alexander (former owner of the Rockets), was upset when he failed to buy the Edmonton Oilers and move them to Houston. He put a clause in his lease with the arena saying if an NHL team moves in that isn't owned by him, the Rockets lease becomes null and void.

So yeah, a little bit of a history lesson, but the point is it all comes down to money and timing.

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