Lebron Vs Crosby

[sh00n]

Agreed.

[Ong_dynasty]

Crosby's been to the Finals twice, winning once and he's won a gold already.

What has LeBron done?

Been to the finals and won gold?

Yeah, and he did nothing in the Finals and his team still would've won gold without him being on the team.

Canada wouldn't have been in the running for a medal without Crosby stepping up in key moments.

did u seem to forget his poor play before the game winning goal?!?!

[timd1218]

Laughing at true statements isn't normal. Go see a doctor.

I need to see a doctor? Coming from the dweeb who called Wayne Gretzky a pansy for leaving a Raptors game early - go figure.

There's no point in arguing with people who think Ovechkin is the best player and who barely watch hockey. They base it on stats.

[timd1218]

Been to the finals and won gold?

Yeah, and he did nothing in the Finals and his team still would've won gold without him being on the team.

Canada wouldn't have been in the running for a medal without Crosby stepping up in key moments.

did u seem to forget his poor play before the game winning goal?!?!

I hope you're not talking about Crosby because he did not play poor during the Olympics. He made a few bad plays but he didn't play poor. He could have had a better performance, but it still wasn't poor.

[Hobo Gonzolez]

Laughing at true statements isn't normal. Go see a doctor.

I need to see a doctor? Coming from the dweeb who called Wayne Gretzky a pansy for leaving a Raptors game early - go figure.

There's no point in arguing with people who think Ovechkin is the best player and who barely watch hockey. They base it on stats.

I'm basing it off of the fact that Ovechkin is leading a better team, despite the fact that he has less of a supporting cast. Also, the MVP award is not voted on by people who don't watch hockey. So, how exactly is Crosby better?

[timd1218]

I need to see a doctor? Coming from the dweeb who called Wayne Gretzky a pansy for leaving a Raptors game early - go figure.

There's no point in arguing with people who think Ovechkin is the best player and who barely watch hockey. They base it on stats.

I'm basing it off of the fact that Ovechkin is leading a better team, despite the fact that he has less of a supporting cast. Also, the MVP award is not voted on by people who don't watch hockey. So, how exactly is Crosby better?

You just proved my point of people not watching hockey and basing their pick on stats. Ovechkin doesn't have a less supporting cast. Washington has more depth then the Pens. Thus, the reason they have the most goals in the game. They are 7-3-1 without Ovechkin in the line up. Again, thanks for proving my point.

[Hobo Gonzolez]

You just proved my point of people not watching hockey and basing their pick on stats. Ovechkin doesn't have a less supporting cast. Washington has more depth then the Pens. Thus, the reason they have the most goals in the game. They are 7-3-1 without Ovechkin in the line up. Again, thanks for proving my point.

Why did you ignore my point about MVP awards not being given out by people who don't watch hockey? Anyway, I am not a huge Ovechkin fan, I just find it completely wrong that Crosby is indisputably better.

[Ong_dynasty]

Maybe underperform is a better term..
Come on dude (same with Ovechkin) people expected him and Ovechkin to take the olympics by storm... but they underperformed..he stepped up big twice (on a penalty shoot out) and ofcourse the biggest goal of the tournament.
But if you ask me, I though Doughty and Iginla (top of my head) had a better tournament for Team canada!

[timd1218]

You just proved my point of people not watching hockey and basing their pick on stats. Ovechkin doesn't have a less supporting cast. Washington has more depth then the Pens. Thus, the reason they have the most goals in the game. They are 7-3-1 without Ovechkin in the line up. Again, thanks for proving my point.

Why did you ignore my point about MVP awards not being given out by people who don't watch hockey? Anyway, I am not a huge Ovechkin fan, I just find it completely wrong that Crosby is indisputably better.

I just re-read that. I must have missed it when I was skimming through it. The Hart Trophy in the NHL is a joke. They pick it based on stats. When Ovechkin won his first Hart trophy, he wasn't the MVP of the league. Geno Malkin was. Crosby went down early that year and the team was barely in the playoff race. Geno took the team on his shoulders and carried them to the playoffs. Geno deserved it so much more than Ovechkin. So basically, MVP wise, they are tied 1-1. This year, Ovechkin isn't the MVP of the league, let alone his team. Same with Crosby.

And Crosby isn't indisputably better. I just find it funny that people who don't watch hockey, or who barely do, base who is better off of stats. In hockey, it isn't all about stats.

[timd1218]

Maybe underperform is a better term..
Come on dude (same with Ovechkin) people expected him and Ovechkin to take the olympics by storm... but they underperformed..he stepped up big twice (on a penalty shoot out) and ofcourse the biggest goal of the tournament.
But if you ask me, I though Doughty and Iginla (top of my head) had a better tournament for Team canada!

I'll agree with underperformed. The only thing that mattered was when Canada needed Crosby, he came through. Off the top of my head, Doughty, Rafaski, Kessler and Orpik had better Olympics than Crosby and Ovechkin.

[darth_federer]

Anyone who says that Crosby has been better than Ovechkin this year is dreaming. This is coming from a Canadian who is a Crosby fanboy. Ovechkin has been DOMINANT this year and has more points than Crosby despite playing less games. Alex is just dominating the league this year. As far as the playoffs go, Washington doesnt have excuses anymore. Even if you took Ovechkin off that team, they would be number one in scoring, so its obvious they are stacked.

[sh00n]

I'm basing it off of the fact that Ovechkin is leading a better team, despite the fact that he has less of a supporting cast. Also, the MVP award is not voted on by people who don't watch hockey. So, how exactly is Crosby better?

Oh God.

Semin, Backstrom, Green, Knuble, Fleischmann, Laich

vs

Malkin, Gonchar, Staal, Guerin, Ponikarovsky, Kunitz

You give Ovechkin's supporting cast to Crosby and guaranteed Crosby would have more wins with them. Not to mention Washington is going to choke up in playoffs again - probably against Crosby's Pens for a second time, too.

[Griff83]

Why is Crosby undisputeably better then Ovechkin?

Because the game of hockey is played in three zones.

DEFENSIVE, OFFENSIVE AND NEUTRAL ZONE

Ovechkin and Crosby are in the same tier offensively and to argue about semantics of who is better will lead nowhere. The thing is that Crosby is a complete hockey player and Ovechkin is NOT. Sure Ovechkin is a dynamo offensively and lays the body every game but hes not very good in his own zone or the neutral zone. He caughs the puck up way too often and sometimes is actually a turnover machine. He at some point becomes ultra predictable and if you gameplay correctly you can really limit his effectiveness. In the regular season each game isnt do or die and the intensity is prolly about 20-25% less then it is in the playoffs. In the playoffs there is FAR less open ice and less room for the skill players like Ovie to operate and you need to be able to contribute in other ways.

Crosby is a elite player now in every zone. He does basically everything for you. Wins faceoffs, makes solid plays along the boards, makes solid defensive decisions, kills penalties (something Ovechkin never does) and all around just plays a much more responsible 3 zone game. If you just looked at each players offensive contributions then sure its close but when you factor in defensive play and intangibles Crosby is a better player. Anyone that has actually been watching numerous hockey games over the last year or so and doesnt just look at stats can see that Crosby is the better player of the two because he gives you more then just offence.

[sh00n]

Not to mention Washington is going to choke up in playoffs again - probably against Crosby's Pens for a second time, too.

Neat! I almost got it entirely right!

[RoyceDa59]

Why is Crosby undisputeably better then Ovechkin?

Because the game of hockey is played in three zones.

DEFENSIVE, OFFENSIVE AND NEUTRAL ZONE

Ovechkin and Crosby are in the same tier offensively and to argue about semantics of who is better will lead nowhere. The thing is that Crosby is a complete hockey player and Ovechkin is NOT. Sure Ovechkin is a dynamo offensively and lays the body every game but hes not very good in his own zone or the neutral zone. He caughs the puck up way too often and sometimes is actually a turnover machine. He at some point becomes ultra predictable and if you gameplay correctly you can really limit his effectiveness. In the regular season each game isnt do or die and the intensity is prolly about 20-25% less then it is in the playoffs. In the playoffs there is FAR less open ice and less room for the skill players like Ovie to operate and you need to be able to contribute in other ways.

Crosby is a elite player now in every zone. He does basically everything for you. Wins faceoffs, makes solid plays along the boards, makes solid defensive decisions, kills penalties (something Ovechkin never does) and all around just plays a much more responsible 3 zone game. If you just looked at each players offensive contributions then sure its close but when you factor in defensive play and intangibles Crosby is a better player. Anyone that has actually been watching numerous hockey games over the last year or so and doesnt just look at stats can see that Crosby is the better player of the two because he gives you more then just offence.

This is the only person in this thread who actually WATCHES Hockey.

Crosby is a much better hockey player than Ovechkin.

[sh00n]

This is the only person in this thread who actually WATCHES Hockey.

Crosby is a much better hockey player than Ovechkin.

Oh, cool.

I never knew the rest of us just stare blankly at the TV while the games are going on.

[WEFFPIM]

This is the only person in this thread who actually WATCHES Hockey.

Crosby is a much better hockey player than Ovechkin.

Oh, cool.

I never knew the rest of us just stare blankly at the TV while the games are going on.

I don't even watch games. I just play air hockey and do my own play-by-play

[sh00n]

I play NHL 10. . .

[rapsncavs]

Well, I guess these playoffs were inconclusive in terms of who is better between Crosby and Ovechkin.

[Triple M]

My Habs took out Ovie and Crosby and hopefully tomorrow the Celtics take out LeBron for this discussion though I have to go with Crosby.