The Official: 2010 Offseason Thread

sh00n · Post #61 » by **sh00n** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:31 pm

I honestly think it's going to be Kaberle for Savard + a pick or something.

Boston wants Kaberle badly and Burke wants to get picks and pair Savard back with Kessel.

Post #62 » by **bryant08** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:54 pm

^I love Kaberle but I don't think he warrants Savard plus extra incentive for Boston. I think the Leafs would have to add more to that swap than just Kaberle.

Post #63 » by **timd1218** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:27 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:Take Andrew Ladd. He's all yours

Have you heard any news from about whether Bowman is going to try and re-sign Ladd? I'd assume he will be traded because of the cap hell Chicago is in. If Bowman is looking to trade him, have you heard what he wants in return? I saw what he said he wants for Byfuglien and that is laughable.

CjayC · Post #64 » by **CjayC** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:41 pm

Why is what he wants for Byfuglien laughable?

Byufglien doesn't perform in the regular season only because there is no way his body could hold up to the punishment of standing in front of the crease for 82 games. But if you are looking for a common denominator he was the main reason the Hawks won IMO(Aside from Niemi). Him standing in front of the crease allows Toews all of that juicy space on the wing. He pretty much single handedly beat Vancouver, had 3 GWG's against San Jose, and took a lot of Pronger's fire off Toews and Kane and the other forwards.

If the Hawks were in a position to be a top seed next year they wouldn't make it past the 2nd round without him. We don't need him to succeed in the regular season, but certainly you need him in order to win a Stanley Cup

SportsWorld · Post #65 » by **SportsWorld** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:48 pm

Byfuglien, Eager, Sopel are going to Atlanta for picks and prospects. Wow.

Post #66 » by **bryant08** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:48 pm

Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager, Akim Aliu to Atlanta for first rounder (New Jersey's), 2nd rounder (New Jersey's), Reasoner and Jeremy Morin.

Post #67 » by **bryant08** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:48 pm

Just a few seconds late lol.

CjayC · Post #68 » by **CjayC** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:58 pm

SportsWorld wrote:Byfuglien, Eager, Sopel are going to Atlanta for picks and prospects. Wow.

Its a good return. The ultimate sell high

Just wish we didn't have to part with Byfuglien.

Its gonna be a helluva time trying to win in the playoffs without him.

sh00n · Post #69 » by **sh00n** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:07 pm

I can't believe that's all Chicago got back. Chicago also gives up Aliu, and get back Reasoner and Morin with Jersey's pick and another late one. What an awful deal for Buff; if all Chicago was looking for were late picks and meh prospects, Montreal should've been on this like crazy.

And I thought the Halak deal was bad. . .

Post #70 » by **ajaX82** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:14 pm

Welcome to the cap world Chicago fans. As a Detroit fan, I welcome you here

Nice deal by Atlanta.

CjayC · Post #71 » by **CjayC** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:18 pm

sh00n wrote:I can't believe that's all Chicago got back. Chicago also gives up Aliu, and get back Reasoner and Morin with Jersey's pick and another late one. What an awful deal for Buff; if all Chicago was looking for were late picks and meh prospects, Montreal should've been on this like crazy.

And I thought the Halak deal was bad. . .

Whaddaya mean?

Byfuglien is worth a couple of 2nds or just a single 1st round pick with his play in the regular season at best. We got a 1st, and a 2nd for him, and a legitimate Top 6 forward prospect in Morin. All the while freeing up space. Byfuglien's true value is to a playoff contender, and I think its safe to say Atlanta is not quite there yet. Atlanta overpaid big time for him.

WEFFPIM · Post #72 » by **WEFFPIM** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:19 pm

People only seem to think about Byfuglien's playoff run as the type of player he is, but he is maddeningly inconsistent. Eager and Sopel are borderline useless who have glimmers of hope from time to time.

Trust me, I don't like shipping Byfuglien out, I think he and Sharp were the two to keep. But the Hawks can get by without Byfuglien. Physical presences in the front of the net can be found anywhere.

And sh00n, this is a blatant salary dump, Montreal got hosed by St. Louis.

sh00n · Post #73 » by **sh00n** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:20 pm

CjayC wrote:
sh00n wrote:I can't believe that's all Chicago got back. Chicago also gives up Aliu, and get back Reasoner and Morin with Jersey's pick and another late one. What an awful deal for Buff; if all Chicago was looking for were late picks and meh prospects, Montreal should've been on this like crazy.

And I thought the Halak deal was bad. . .

Whaddaya mean?

Byfuglien is worth a high 2nd with his play in the regular season at best. We got a 1st, and a 2nd for him, and a legitimate Top 6 forward prospect in Morin. All the while freeing up space. Byfuglien's true value is to a playoff contender, and I think its safe to say Atlanta is not quite there yet.

And Buff is going to be, if he isn't already, the best power forward in the NHL. The only benefit is they lose Sopel's contract, which could've been shedded just as easily with Versteeg as it would've Buff.

Safe to say the Hawks aren't repeating.

CjayC · Post #74 » by **CjayC** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:22 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:People only seem to think about Byfuglien's playoff run as the type of player he is, but he is maddeningly inconsistent. Eager and Sopel are borderline useless who have glimmers of hope from time to time.

Trust me, I don't like shipping Byfuglien out, I think he and Sharp were the two to keep. But the Hawks can get by without Byfuglien. Physical presences in the front of the net can be found anywhere.

And sh00n, this is a blatant salary dump, Montreal got hosed by St. Louis.

People need to realize that how the Hawks play Buff in the post season is not how the play him in the regular season. In the regular season he is on the wing with everyone else. There is just no way his body could take being pounded for 82 games in front of the crease.

To win in the playoffs though, you definitely need him to disrupt the other team. That's why he's been such a beast in the playoffs.

CjayC · Post #75 » by **CjayC** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:25 pm

sh00n wrote:
CjayC wrote:
sh00n wrote:I can't believe that's all Chicago got back. Chicago also gives up Aliu, and get back Reasoner and Morin with Jersey's pick and another late one. What an awful deal for Buff; if all Chicago was looking for were late picks and meh prospects, Montreal should've been on this like crazy.

And I thought the Halak deal was bad. . .

Whaddaya mean?

Byfuglien is worth a high 2nd with his play in the regular season at best. We got a 1st, and a 2nd for him, and a legitimate Top 6 forward prospect in Morin. All the while freeing up space. Byfuglien's true value is to a playoff contender, and I think its safe to say Atlanta is not quite there yet.

And Buff is going to be, if he isn't already, the best power forward in the NHL. The only benefit is they lose Sopel's contract, which could've been shedded just as easily with Versteeg as it would've Buff.

Safe to say the Hawks aren't repeating.

Correction. Best Power Forward in the post season.

You don't hear squat about Byfuglien because his role from the regular season to the post-season is different. Play him in front of the crease reaping havoc during the regular season and burn him out by the time the playoffs come. OR deal with his inconsistent play on the wing during the regular season, and have him perform beastly in the playoffs in front of the crease.

You will find that I won't disagree with you when you say that because of trading Byfugilen the Hawks won't repeat.

WEFFPIM · Post #76 » by **WEFFPIM** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:29 pm

timd1218 wrote:
WEFFPIM wrote:Take Andrew Ladd. He's all yours

Have you heard any news from about whether Bowman is going to try and re-sign Ladd? I'd assume he will be traded because of the cap hell Chicago is in. If Bowman is looking to trade him, have you heard what he wants in return? I saw what he said he wants for Byfuglien and that is laughable.

With this Byfuglien trade they might try and re-sign him now, but he certainly is one of the more expendable members of the team. But a couple of draft picks would probably do the trick for Ladd.

SportsWorld · Post #77 » by **SportsWorld** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:36 pm

We won the Stanley Cup and that's all I care about. It would have sucked to get that far and lose and have to give up big pieces.

Post #78 » by **timd1218** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:18 am

Byfuglien is not going to be the best power forward in the league nor will he be top 5. He had 1 good post season. That is it. He was awful during the regular season and didn't he start the playoffs on d because he couldn't crack the forward line up?

To me, he isn't worth a 1st rounder and prospect, which is what I heard Bowman wanted. You have to be able to perform in the regular season to be worth that.

And you don't have to play in front of the net every game in the regular season but you have to be consistent at it and Buff isn't. He's had 1 good playoff run so far playing with some really good players. Lets see him do this again before he is treated like a playoff god.

Post #79 » by **timd1218** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:23 am

TSNBobMcKenzie

Chi-Atl trade still not official. This from Atl management: "There is no trade yet."

CjayC · Post #80 » by **CjayC** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:28 am

timd1218 wrote:Byfuglien is not going to be the best power forward in the league nor will he be top 5. He had 1 good post season. That is it. He was awful during the regular season and didn't he start the playoffs on d because he couldn't crack the forward line up?

To me, he isn't worth a 1st rounder and prospect, which is what I heard Bowman wanted. You have to be able to perform in the regular season to be worth that.

And you don't have to play in front of the net every game in the regular season but you have to be consistent at it and Buff isn't. He's had 1 good playoff run so far playing with some really good players. Lets see him do this again before he is treated like a playoff god.

No. He played D because if you recall Campbell was still injured for like 2 or 3 games into the post season. He would have been in Rinne's face from Game 1 if Campbell would have been ready to go by the first game.

He's had 2 good playoff runs. He pretty much singlehandedly eliminated the Canucks two years in a row. That has to count towards something.

He doesn't play every game in the regular season in front of the net. He sporadically plays there on Quenneville's orders, because as I've said earlier there is no way his body would up to that kind of punishment. But as far as his play on the wing, you won't find many Blackhawk fans who disagree with you when you say that he is wildly inconsistent.

All thing's considered from the perspective of him being traded to a playoff contender, yes I believe that he is worth a 1st round pick and a prospect. Nobody is saying that Byfuglien can do it all by himself, but on a playoff contender he will help you WIN in the playoffs which is the most important thing right after you actually make it to the playoffs. Its no guarantee that a prospect or a 1st round pick will actually ever amount to anything.

Byfuglien can help a playoff team RIGHT NOW. The keyword being "playoff", which is why I think from the perspective of a team that is unsure if it'll even make the playoffs, its not a smart move for them. The Thrashers aren't in a position where they should part with picks, and top prospects for a player like Byfuglien who is only useful in a playoff run. They only missed by 5 points, but lets see how they do without one of the Top 5 players in the game for over half the season.