2013 Stanley Cup Champions - Chicago Blackhawks

Who Wins The Stanley Cup?

Bruins in 4
0
No votes
Bruins in 5
0
No votes
Bruins in 6
2
18%
Bruins in 7
1
9%
Blackhawks in 4
0
No votes
Blackhawks in 5
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No votes
Blackhawks in 6
6
55%
Blackhawks in 7
2
18%
 
Total votes: 11

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Re: 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs (Rd. 2 Sked - Page 1) 

Post#121 » by WEFFPIM » Thu May 23, 2013 12:51 am

Manocad wrote:So what you're saying is that it's unrealistic to assume that Datsyuk still wouldn't have scored had the goal not been waved off and the score wound up 2-2. That's sure as hell less unrealistic than saying that he WOULDN'T have scored had the goal not been waved off. To imply that Datsyuk wouldn't have scored the third goal solely because a goal didn't get waved off and the game wound up tied 2-2 has no basis in logic whatsoever. The two events aren't mutually inclusive. In fact, they have nothing to do with each other. But I'm not trying to rewrite history as Datsyuk did in fact score a third goal. Your assertion does try to rewrite history by claiming that due to it being a "totally different game" he wouldn't have. Not to mention that you're also alluding to it being a "series changer" meaning you're assuming that the 2-2 tie would have resulted in a Hawks win. So you're actually making not one but two leaps of faith.


If that goal counts, who knows what the lineups look like for the next faceoff. Or the shift after that, and after that. Is Datsyuk even on the ice one minute later to take that shot? Maybe. Maybe not. Game plans change depending on the game situation. Matchups change. Maybe Datsyuk still scores a goal when the game is tied. But to say that it would have happened regardless is just flat out wrong. You have no idea if it would have still happened.

The same applies to the first Hawks goal. Hjalmarsson gets called for a penalty, so wipe out the Kane goal. Does the game still finish 3-1? Does Datsyuk still score? How do the Hawks get their goal? You can't just look at the game result and assume that's how it would finish regardless of a call here or there called the other way.
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Post#122 » by WEFFPIM » Thu May 23, 2013 12:52 am

Manocad wrote:And the explanation I heard about why it was goalie interference was that Shaw's proximity to Howard was such that Howard couldn't use his stick to play the puck. That violated the "impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal" part of the goalie interference rule.


And Shaw's proximity to Howard was such because Kindl pushes Shaw that direction.
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Post#123 » by Manocad » Thu May 23, 2013 12:11 pm

WEFFPIM wrote: You can't just look at the game result and assume that's how it would finish regardless of a call here or there called the other way.

You're right, I have no idea if what happened after the goal was wiped out would have still happened or not. And that doesn't in any way, shape or form mean the Blackhawks would have wound up winning the game. It could have been called a good goal and the Wings wound up winning 6-2. Yes, Shaw got bumped when he initially entered the crease. And then he stayed there, right in Howard's face. And if someone getting bumped into the goalie then getting hit with a goalie interference call is a surprise to you, you must not have watched much hockey.
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Post#124 » by ajaX82 » Fri May 24, 2013 2:46 am

Yes!! Howard was crazy good again and I thought we didn't play well at all, but I will take it
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Post#125 » by Bank Shot » Fri May 24, 2013 3:28 am

HOLY MOLY the Wings might just do this. One more boys, one more.
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Post#126 » by Manocad » Fri May 24, 2013 12:14 pm

Yeah, the Wings are now in the driver's seat. Winning three in a row when you're a good team and have two games at home is not an impossible task, but it's certainly improbable. Especially the way the Wings are playing. Watching last night's game it was still clear, to me anyway, that the Hawks are a more talented team than the Wings. They're just being matched with effort and I think they're being outcoached as well. Babcock has certainly figured out what lineups will neutralize the Chicago offense.
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Post#127 » by trwi7 » Fri May 24, 2013 5:54 pm

This is the case where the series is being won by a goalie who is shutting down the other team. See Quick last year, Howard is doing that this series. Now he's getting some help from his defense but he was shutting down great opportunities from the Blackhawks last night. They need to keep a d-man back to prevent those stretch passes from the defensive zone that the Blackhawks were executing with ease last night.
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Post#128 » by trwi7 » Fri May 24, 2013 8:42 pm

This is terrific. Best part is after she explained her answer, she got credit for it.

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Post#129 » by WEFFPIM » Sat May 25, 2013 3:45 pm

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Post#130 » by WEFFPIM » Sun May 26, 2013 3:40 am

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Post#131 » by Celtics_Champs » Wed May 29, 2013 3:29 am

Oh Pavelski! You gotta get it up to score man! You gotta get it up!
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Post#132 » by EArl » Wed May 29, 2013 3:42 am

Kings have it all!!!
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Post#133 » by WEFFPIM » Wed May 29, 2013 3:49 am

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Post#134 » by ajaX82 » Thu May 30, 2013 2:46 am

Well that no-goal call may anger a Hawk fan or two
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Post#135 » by Celtics_Champs » Thu May 30, 2013 3:32 am

Impressive comeback by the hawks.
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Post#136 » by WEFFPIM » Thu May 30, 2013 3:54 am

It was an epic end to the best rivalry in the NHL, at least it's current incarnation.
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Post#137 » by trwi7 » Thu May 30, 2013 3:57 am

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Post#138 » by WEFFPIM » Thu May 30, 2013 4:05 am

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Post#139 » by trwi7 » Thu May 30, 2013 4:46 am

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Post#140 » by Manocad » Thu May 30, 2013 4:49 pm

Manocad wrote:Watching last night's game it was still clear, to me anyway, that the Hawks are a more talented team than the Wings. They're just being matched with effort...

Quoted since it applies for Game 7, big time.
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