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Top 5 forwards in the NHL, goalies and D men
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 5:52 am
by RoyceDa59
Who are the 5 best forwards in the NHL this season?
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Joe Thornton
3. Dany Heatley
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Marion Hossa
Who are the 5 best defensemen in the NHL this season?
1. Nicklas Lindstrom
2. Chris Pronger
3. Scott Neidermayer
4. Sheldon Souray
5. Lubomir Visnovsky
Who are the 5 best goalies in the NHL this season?
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Dominic Hasek
4. Jean Sabastian Giguere
5. Mikka Kiprosoft
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 5:57 am
by timd1218
I pretty much agree to everything except the bolds.
Forwards:
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Joe Thornton
3. Alexander Ovechkin
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Dany Heatley
D-Men
1. Nicklas Lindstrom
2. Chris Pronger
3. Scott Neidermayer
4. Sheldon Souray
5. Sergei Gonchar
Goalies
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Jean Sabastian Giguere
4. Dominic Hasek
5. Marc-Andre Fluery
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 6:08 am
by moose man
Who are the 5 best forwards in the NHL this season?
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Joe Thornton
3. Dany Heatley
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Jarome Iginla
Who are the 5 best defensemen in the NHL this season?
1. Nicklas Lindstrom
2. Chris Pronger
3. Scott Neidermayer
4. Sheldon Souray
5. Lubomir Visnovsky
Who are the 5 best goalies in the NHL this season?
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Mikka Kiprusoft
4. Jean Sabastian Giguere
5. Domink Hasek
5a. Henrik Lundqvist
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 5:39 pm
by Mr Swagtastic
Fowards:
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Vincent Lecavalier
3. Joe Thornton
4. Alexander Ovechkin
5. Martin St. Louis
Defensemen
1. Nicklas Lindstrom
2. Chris Pronger
3. Scott Niedermayer
4. Sergei Gonchar
tie 5. Tomas Kaberle and Dan Boyle
Goalies
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Domink Hasek
4. Marc-Andre Fluery
5. Ryan Miller
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 5:57 pm
by Crowned
lol, Marc Andre Fleury? Guys, cmon now..
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 5:59 pm
by timd1218
Crowned wrote:lol, Marc Andre Fleury? Guys, cmon now..
Why?
Fluery is very underrated. Plus, every goalie that is in the top 5 not named Marc-Andre Fluery has a defense 5 times what Fluery has. The man gets no credit.
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 6:08 pm
by Crowned
He is underrated, but doesn't belong on a top 5 list just yet. You have to remember, coaching staff has not been happy at times with MAF... he's been pulled and benched as well. Those aren't traits of a top 5 goaltender.
(in no particular order)
Marty Turco
Marty Brodeur
Mikka Kiprusoff
Dominik Hasek
JS Giguere
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 7:04 pm
by moose man
Crowned although I agree on the MAF topic, you left Luongo out of your top 5 and he could possibly win the Vezina this year.
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 7:29 pm
by Crowned
moose man wrote:Crowned although I agree on the MAF topic, you left Luongo out of your top 5 and he could possibly win the Vezina this year.
lol, my mistake...I completely forgot about him.
Roberto Luongo
Marty Brodeur
Mikka Kiprusoff
JS Giguere
Dominik Hasek
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 9:57 pm
by FNQ
I wish Toskala or Nabby would leave town so one of them could get the recognition they deserve... Options 1a and 1a (not a typo)
Posted: Mon Apr 2, 2007 11:05 pm
by Mr Swagtastic
Crowned wrote:lol, Marc Andre Fleury? Guys, cmon now..
You could say Crosby and Malkin are a major reason why the Pens are as good as they have been but MAF has been playing out of his mind this year, when I made my list it's for this year.
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 4:42 am
by Andrea>Dirk
xbl_sucks wrote:Fowards:
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Vincent Lecavalier
3. Joe Thornton
4. Alexander Ovechkin
5. Dany Heatley
Defensemen
1. Nicklas Lidstrom
2. Chris Pronger
3. Scott Niedermayer
4. Sergei Gonchar
5. Tomas Kaberle
Goalies
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Marc-Andre Fluery
4. Ryan Miller
5. Combination of Mason and Vokoun
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 8:55 am
by peteXmaravich
Who are the 5 best forwards in the NHL this season?
1. Crosby (81 assists)
2. Thornton (88 assists)
3. Vinnie
4. Marian Hossa
5. Marc Savard (71 assists)
Who are the 5 best defensemen in the NHL this season?
1. Chris Pronger
2. Nik Lidstrom
3. Scott Niedermayer
4. Dan Boyle
5. Ryan Whitney
Who are the 5 best goalies in the NHL this season?
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Ryan Miller
4. Hasek
5. Miikka Kiprusoff
5a. Turco
Kipprusoft?
Lindstrom?
wow, great fans. LadBrond Jams is on the cavs, right?
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 2:46 pm
by The_Child_Prodigy
timd1218 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Why?
Fluery is very underrated. Plus, every goalie that is in the top 5 not named Marc-Andre Fluery has a defense 5 times what Fluery has. The man gets no credit.
You jsut said Gonchar was a top 5 D-Man. SO not every goalie in theleague hsa that. Not every goalie has a team made up of first round picks and some guy named Crosby in front ofthem.
Forwards:
Crosby
Thornton
Heatley
Lecavalier
Iggy
Defense:
Lindstrom
Pronger
Niedermayer
Phaneuf
Souray
Goalies:
Brodeur
Kipper/Loungo
Backstrom
Giguere
Hasek
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 8:53 pm
by Crowned
xbl_sucks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You could say Crosby and Malkin are a major reason why the Pens are as good as they have been but MAF has been playing out of his mind this year, when I made my list it's for this year.
"playing out of his mind" doesn't necessarily qualify him as a top 5 goaltender this season. There simply has been better players in the position.
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 9:13 pm
by The_Child_Prodigy
Crowned wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
"playing out of his mind" doesn't necessarily qualify him as a top 5 goaltender this season. There simply has been better players in the position.
I dont watch the Pens but they seem like a 3 or 4 goals a night team so protecting a lead that big wont be to hard.
In 04 Kipper was protecting a goal league and played the real definition of out of his mind.
I think it was 1.76 GAA
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 9:21 pm
by Crowned
The_Child_Prodigy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I dont watch the Pens but they seem like a 3 or 4 goals a night team so protecting a lead that big wont be to hard.
In 04 Kipper was protecting a goal league and played the real definition of out of his mind.
I think it was 1.76 GAA
MAF has been in the dog house at times for the Pens. His save % is on par with Manny Legace and Tim Thomas and his 2.85 G.A.A isn't exactly exciting either. He's amongst the league leaders in victories, I'll give him that...but he hasn't played well enough to be considered an elite goaltender (top 5) just yet. I'm a huge MAF supporter, and think he's going to be a top 5 goaltender in the future...but he just isn't there yet.
Posted: Tue Apr 3, 2007 10:17 pm
by peteXmaravich
MAF has let in some of the weakest goals ive seen in ages for such a highly touted goaltender. if it wasnt for the offense in front of him, that dude would be struggling extra hard. hes going to be their Achilles heel in the playoffs by far. very agile, makes some spectacular saves but this isnt 1984 grant fuhr hockey... he has to be more solid and focused.
Posted: Wed Apr 4, 2007 2:05 am
by timd1218
peteXmaravich wrote:MAF has let in some of the weakest goals ive seen in ages for such a highly touted goaltender. if it wasnt for the offense in front of him, that dude would be struggling extra hard. hes going to be their Achilles heel in the playoffs by far. very agile, makes some spectacular saves but this isnt 1984 grant fuhr hockey... he has to be more solid and focused.
Fluery has one of the best overtime and shootout records. This is when all the pressure is on him. I've seen Brodeur let in worse goals. If Fluery played on a team like New Jersey, Detroit, etc, Fluery would be getting the recognition. These teams have a good offense, and a great defense. Watch 5 Pens games in a row, and then you'd realize just how bad defensively the Pens are. Fluery is a huge reason this team is where it is right now.
Posted: Wed Apr 4, 2007 2:07 am
by timd1218
[quote="The_Child_Prodigy"][/quote]
The goalies you just listed, take a look at their defense and them compare them to the Pens defense. It's about 5 times better. With the exception of Luongo, who has 2 times the better D. Just because Gonchar is a top 5 D-man, doesn't mean he is spectacular at playing D. Compared to other top defenseman, he is terrible at playing Defense.