Get Smart. MEM/BOS/BRK

psman2 · Post #1 » by **psman2** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:14 pm

BOS gives: Smart(3yr/~20m)/Gallinari(1yr/6.8m)
BOS gets: Jones(1yr/14m)/DFS(2yr/~14.5m)

Boston decides the Smart/White combo is redundant and decides to make a change. Jones gives them the pure PG they have been missing and his high IQ play should make the offense run smoother. DFS gives Boston the a lot of versatility with how to play Brown/Tatum. I think this move could help their overall team play and is almost salary neutral.

MEM gives: Tyus Jones(1yr/14m)/ best of Mem/GS 2024 1st (top 4 protected)
MEM gets: Smart (3yr/~20m)

Mem needs a new POA defender and goes out and gets Smart. He wouldn't start (except when Ja is out) but would play a lot of minutes and be able to cover 1-3. Would still need to sign a SF with the MLE but Smart does help our biggest need this offseason. Would much rather use #25 here but Brooklyn likely doesn't want another pick this year.

BRK gives: DFS (2yr/~14.5m)
BRK gets: Gallinari (1yr/6.8)/Best of Mem/GS 2024 1st (top 4 protected)

Brooklyn lands a pick in the 2024 draft with some upside if Mem or GS slips. They also cut 7m off their payroll this year which could give them some tax breathing room.

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:16 pm

im skeptical smart would be okay with coming off the bench

Colbinii · Post #3 » by **Colbinii** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:22 pm

Im confused why Smart wouldn't start.

Ja/Smart/Bane/JJJ/Adams is the likely starting line-up in this scenario.

hugepatsfan · Post #4 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:24 pm

Feels like a poor resource allocation on the MEM side. Should just try to keep DFS.

Value seems fair for BRK. POR has a TPE that fits Pritchard and Muscala though. I think both would give them playable depth at spots they lack it (they don't have a backup to Lillard at PG or Nurkic at C right now, unless you count Simons as the backup PG instead of starting or backup SG). BOS could send out the needed outgoing money by moving those guys to POR as a 4th team and then BRK doesn't have to take Gallo back.

Seems like a big win for BOS. I have Smart and DFS comparable trade value. Getting Jones for essentially free seems like a huge win, probably even less than free since Gallo is negative coming off injury. I do think Smart is better than DFS, but trade value less so than on court value so feels like that's being more than made up for Jones.

I will say that I'd prefer to move Jones. Everyone loves the idea of a "true PG" for BOS. I don't think that will work. Championship teams need to run their crunch time/big money offense through the star(s). A Tyus Jones type player is not good enough to ever be someone you're going to let run plays in those moments. It will have to be Tatum growing into that if BOS is ever going to win. And to me, the best way you facilitate that growth, is to surround with more "pure" shooting than a playmaker whose game would be to take the ball out of Tatum's hands but isn't good enough to justify it.

psman2 · Post #5 » by **psman2** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:37 pm

Colbinii wrote:Im confused why Smart wouldn't start.

Ja/Smart/Bane/JJJ/Adams is the likely starting line-up in this scenario.

Bane is not a SF and neither is Smart. Bane doesn't have the length and Smart can only cover there in spurts. That lineup will see playing time but likely want to not play Adams/Smart a lot together due to shooting. But likely our closing lineup would be something like Ja/Smart/Bane/(Roddy/Aldama)/JJJ.

psman2 · Post #6 » by **psman2** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:39 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:im skeptical smart would be okay with coming off the bench

I think we would have to discuss the role with him ahead of time. He will still get 30+ minutes most night and likely be in our closing lineup. But if he wasn't open to it then we would have to move on.

psman2 · Post #7 » by **psman2** » Tue May 30, 2023 5:48 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Feels like a poor resource allocation on the MEM side. Should just try to keep DFS.

Value seems fair for BRK. POR has a TPE that fits Pritchard and Muscala though. I think both would give them playable depth at spots they lack it (they don't have a backup to Lillard at PG or Nurkic at C right now, unless you count Simons as the backup PG instead of starting or backup SG). BOS could send out the needed outgoing money by moving those guys to POR as a 4th team and then BRK doesn't have to take Gallo back.

Seems like a big win for BOS. I have Smart and DFS comparable trade value. Getting Jones for essentially free seems like a huge win, probably even less than free since Gallo is negative coming off injury. I do think Smart is better than DFS, but trade value less so than on court value so feels like that's being more than made up for Jones.

I will say that I'd prefer to move Jones. Everyone loves the idea of a "true PG" for BOS. I don't think that will work. Championship teams need to run their crunch time/big money offense through the star(s). A Tyus Jones type player is not good enough to ever be someone you're going to let run plays in those moments. It will have to be Tatum growing into that if BOS is ever going to win. And to me, the best way you facilitate that growth, is to surround with more "pure" shooting than a playmaker whose game would be to take the ball out of Tatum's hands but isn't good enough to justify it.

I also believe that Mem is due a little more value, but I wanted to get feedback before determining exactly how to accomplish it. Gallo versus other filler is fine for Brooklyn if money matching still works. Memphis going after DFS is for sure one of our plans, just exploring another option here.

I agree that Tatum is still going to have the ball in the 4th most of the time, but Jones will be able to bring out a better version of Brown I think. Jones will be able to find him on cuts and make the right play. Jones is a much better shooter than Smart is so if you want more shooting then he is fine off the ball too in the 4th.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #8 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue May 30, 2023 6:16 pm

Not enough for Boston. They're not just going to "make a change", it has to be a good trade. Jones/DFS isn't it. Neither is as good as Smart and right now the Celtics have four point guards. If they deal away point guard depth it'll be for a big small forward, or a frontcourt piece.

psman2 · Post #9 » by **psman2** » Tue May 30, 2023 7:05 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Not enough for Boston. They're not just going to "make a change", it has to be a good trade. Jones/DFS isn't it. Neither is as good as Smart and right now the Celtics have four point guards. If they deal away point guard depth it'll be for a big small forward, or a frontcourt piece.

I would say right now the Celtics have no pgs, they have a bunch of combo guards. Odd I thought this was a overpayment as originally posted and a good trade for them. Would you rather move White than Smart?

esvl · Post #10 » by **esvl** » Tue May 30, 2023 8:54 pm

While I would welcome Smart in the Grizzlies uniform as the next Grindfather from Boston, I am under impression that the fair value we pay here and Smart’s level as a player do not necessarily correspond to the limited comboguard role he would be required to play behind Ja and Bane.

I am also a big believer that the 2024 GSW 1st should only be used to bring us a big wing we have been looking for for years.