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Post#1 » by TorontoBarneys » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:39 pm

This seems like the easiest trade to think up for FVV in my opinion. The only question is the picks going back to TOR. What do you think is the right value there, taking them into account? 1 or 2? None? 2nd rounders?

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LAL gets a big upgrade at PG and someone who can play much better beside LBJ, a fairly decent bench big man in Boucher and a clever vet in Thad.
TOR gets big expirings and has the ability to re-sign both GTJ in the offseason and outright sign Jakob Poeltl (among other FA's) as well.

Potential to include Beverly as well for more swaps and expiring for the Raps, but I'm not so confident about including that in.
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Post#2 » by Boonicus » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:13 pm

Any and all available picks from the Lakers, even then they get the best of this trade.
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Post#3 » by Colbinii » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:58 pm

Boonicus wrote:Any and all available picks from the Lakers, even then they get the best of this trade.


That isn't true.

I would prefer the flexibility of expiring money over Birch/Boucher on the books for an additional year.

There is no way the difference between 30 games of FVV and Westbrook is 2 unprotected 1sts, eating Birch for a season and giving up all cap space in 2023 off-season with Boucher.
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Post#4 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:03 pm

1 protected 1st, there is no way TOR does this BTW, they have no bench as it is
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Post#5 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:04 pm

Boonicus wrote:Any and all available picks from the Lakers, even then they get the best of this trade.


Not even close to accurate. I think the salary they get to dump is already making up a good chunk of the necessary value. Add in one protected future 1st and the value is more than enough.

Now I'm not saying the Raps should use FVV to dump salary, but we can't ignore the value they get from doing so.
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Post#6 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:07 pm

None of the guys on Toronto can be slotted into two way slots, and Toronto would have to waive both their 2 way players in order to complete this trade (as LA would have to waive 2 players on their roster to complete the deal).

Two way guys don’t count for salary matching and they have their own roster slots, so they don’t help LA or Toronto in any particular manner here.
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Post#7 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:09 pm

A top 10 protected FRP is fair here
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Post#8 » by Resistance » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:13 pm

Boucher

    2022-23 Contract details by year 30 $12,690,000
    2023-24 Contract details by year 31 $11,750,000
    2024-25 Contract details by year 32 $10,810,000

Birch

    2022-23 Contract details by year 30 $6,667,500
    2023-24 Contract details by year 31 $6,985,000

Bench Bigs chewing up over half of the projected Cap Space.


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Plus another $1 million to make Thad go away.
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Post#9 » by OGSactownballer » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:20 pm

This makes zero sense to me for TOR.

They aren’t generally a FA destination and this for the space leaves them in treadmill hell. They won’t have a good pick for ‘23 and can’t replace the talent loss when Russ walks.

This just doesn’t make sense.
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Post#10 » by psman2 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:24 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:This makes zero sense to me for TOR.

They aren’t generally a FA destination and this for the space leaves them in treadmill hell. They won’t have a good pick for ‘23 and can’t replace the talent loss when Russ walks.

This just doesn’t make sense.


The Toronto 1st is currently sitting at 6, so you think they are going to make their pick worse by trading their only PG? What kind of hell is Toronto in now or if they give FVV a big contract in the offseason?
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Post#11 » by Pythagoras » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:16 am

zimpy27 wrote:A top 10 protected FRP is fair here


I honestly wouldn’t give up any firsts in this deal. The short term upgrade of FVV over Westbrook isn’t worth the problem of having to overpay him to re-sign him in the offseason will present.

Add to that the tremendous financial flexibility in taking Birch, Young, and Boucher (although Boucher is decent player).

Most I’d do is toss them a couple of 2nds for this.
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Post#12 » by Mr Swagtastic » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:27 am

Absolutely not for Toronto, VanVleet is better than Westbrook this year and Toronto's pieces they are moving are better as well. Maybe a top 5 2027 1st gets it done
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Post#13 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:07 am

OGSactownballer wrote:This makes zero sense to me for TOR.

They aren’t generally a FA destination and this for the space leaves them in treadmill hell. They won’t have a good pick for ‘23 and can’t replace the talent loss when Russ walks.

This just doesn’t make sense.


In offseason they will have $20m capspace with this trade.
Barnes (8), GTJ (25), OG (19), Siakam (38), Achiuwa (4) -- Flynn (4), Banton (2), OPJ (6), Koloko (2), TOR23FRP (6), TOR23SRP (1)

Without the trade they are likely over the luxury tax line but the real problem comes in 2024 offseason as they need to pay OG and Siakam.
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Post#14 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:09 am

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Absolutely not for Toronto, VanVleet is better than Westbrook this year and Toronto's pieces they are moving are better as well. Maybe a top 5 2027 1st gets it done


If Raptors make this trade, do you think they want guys like Christie or Reaves? Or would they be after as much pick assets as possible?
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Post#15 » by Parataxis » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:06 pm

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Boonicus wrote:Any and all available picks from the Lakers, even then they get the best of this trade.


Not even close to accurate. I think the salary they get to dump is already making up a good chunk of the necessary value. Add in one protected future 1st and the value is more than enough.

Now I'm not saying the Raps should use FVV to dump salary, but we can't ignore the value they get from doing so.


What salary dump? The ~6m owed to Birch next year? He'd be there as filler to match salary, not as a dump. It's really not a contract that hurts the raps in any way.
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Post#16 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:09 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:
Boonicus wrote:Any and all available picks from the Lakers, even then they get the best of this trade.


Not even close to accurate. I think the salary they get to dump is already making up a good chunk of the necessary value. Add in one protected future 1st and the value is more than enough.

Now I'm not saying the Raps should use FVV to dump salary, but we can't ignore the value they get from doing so.


What salary dump? The ~6m owed to Birch next year? He'd be there as filler to match salary, not as a dump. It's really not a contract that hurts the raps in any way.


Boucher is in this deal right? I realize he's not totally dead money, but its a decent amount of money that is cleared for them. We can disagree if they should value getting off those deals of course. I think they are due some incentive on top of it, but its interesting you take issue with me pointing out moving salary has value, but I guess have no issue with Boon saying the Lakers have to give every pick?
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Post#17 » by Parataxis » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:12 pm

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Not even close to accurate. I think the salary they get to dump is already making up a good chunk of the necessary value. Add in one protected future 1st and the value is more than enough.

Now I'm not saying the Raps should use FVV to dump salary, but we can't ignore the value they get from doing so.


What salary dump? The ~6m owed to Birch next year? He'd be there as filler to match salary, not as a dump. It's really not a contract that hurts the raps in any way.


Boucher is in this deal right? I realize he's not totally dead money, but its a decent amount of money that is cleared for them. We can disagree if they should value getting off those deals of course. I think they are due some incentive on top of it, but its interesting you take issue with me pointing out moving salary has value, but I guess have no issue with Boon saying the Lakers have to give every pick?


Boucher is in the deal, but he's a productive player on a declining contract. I have him as a neutral at worst. I don't think the Raptors are interested in clearing him just to clear him. It's not even a Birch situation where they would probably walk away from the contract if they could.
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Post#18 » by Mr Swagtastic » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:14 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
Mr Swagtastic wrote:Absolutely not for Toronto, VanVleet is better than Westbrook this year and Toronto's pieces they are moving are better as well. Maybe a top 5 2027 1st gets it done


If Raptors make this trade, do you think they want guys like Christie or Reaves? Or would they be after as much pick assets as possible?


Austin Reaves has little to no value he's probably stuck somewhere between Banton and Flynn on the DC. Max Christie isn't anything really special right now, he could be a good shooter but I don't see Toronto wanting him to bridge the gap in a Westbrook for FVV swap.
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Post#19 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:16 pm

I would tweak this a bit.

Russ, Pat Bev, min, 2026 swap, 2027 LAL 1st (top 4 prot)

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FVV, GTJr, Boucher, Thad
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Post#20 » by SK21209 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:33 pm

If we're sending both picks to the Raptors I'd want FVV and Trent, but paying both of them in the summer is probably to rich for our FO's taste. If a Raptors/Lakers trade happens its probably just for Trent.

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