Shams: Suns and Heat Finalist for Beal

[Devilanche]

Lakers get Herro

Wizards get Lowry, Beasley, 17, 18

Heat get Beal, Bamba


Does this make sense for all teams?

Pretty good deal all around.

[MadNESS]

Why can’t the Lakers get in the Beal discussion?

# 17
Future first 29’
Expirings
Max Christie

Something like that

[K_chile22]

Worth noting the NTC stays in effect after the trade so it's not like if it doesn't work they can just flip him for value. That hurts his trade value too

[zimpy27]

Why can’t the Lakers get in the Beal discussion?

# 17
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Max Christie

Something like that

Can't use 17 and SnT, Lakers need SnT to met the salary match.

They don't have a young asset or a 2023 pick to give

[MadNESS]

Why can’t the Lakers get in the Beal discussion?

# 17
Future first 29’
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Max Christie

Something like that

Can't use 17 and SnT, Lakers need SnT to met the salary match.

They don't have a young asset or a 2023 pick to give

We can absorb some of his salary with cap space technically and act as a team with cap space, but we would lose pretty much everyone else but Bron, AD and Vandy. Probably not a good route!

[jredsaz]

If all it takes is CP3, Shamet and seconds to get Beal, why wouldn't the Wizards just keep him?

I mean a clean cap sheet post 23/24 is enticing. There are also other moves to make it work! I’m going full NYG on this one and bringing in the Knicks!

Suns get Beal, Caruso, Hartenstiein
Wizards get CP (Guaranteed at $16.5M and released), Fournier, 2024 WAS 1st (via NY)
Knicks get Zach Lavine
Bulls get Ayton, Barrett, 2 future firsts (via NYK/debate the picks)

I don’t think Beal is making the demand to keep Ayton, I think the Wiz want a clean cap sheet. Suns get Beal and depth

Wiz save money this year to take on assets for bad deals this summer (see Heat when they make a move for Dame).

Knicks get a perfect fit next to Brunson and go for it with plenary of room under the second apron.

Bulls get two young former top five picks to pair with their current lot of young players. Coby and Ayo need to be re-signed. Gives them long term flexibility.

[Hoops23]

Why can’t the Lakers get in the Beal discussion?

Because Beal has a no trade clause and he can choose the team he likes.
can you give us a link that he wants to be traded to the Lakers?

[LightTheBeam]

I thought Beal wouldn't be worth much, way too expensive for what he brings. Really wouldn't be surprised to see the new regime just shoot for straight cap clearing move.

If you could get SA to take on CP3. Then Washington takes shamet. It would suck for fans that they waited too long but it saves so much money and let's them tank next season.

[OGSactownballer]

Why can’t the Lakers get in the Beal discussion?

# 17
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Max Christie

Something like that

Because Beal is fine with being the 1b to Jimmy’s 1a, but doesn’t want to play the third B the LeBrin and AD. And hi can blame him.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Beal, Wright, Gafford for CP3, Ayton, Shamet

[DirtyDez]

Beal, Wright, Gafford for CP3, Ayton, Shamet

Ayton to a third team. Bulls?

[Colbinii]

Why can’t the Lakers get in the Beal discussion?

# 17
Future first 29’
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Max Christie

Something like that

Because Beal is fine with being the 1b to Jimmy’s 1a, but doesn’t want to play the third B the LeBrin and AD. And hi can blame him.

He wouldn't be on offense though.

[jayjaysee]

How much more are you willing to pay to get Lavine instead of Beal?

[RexBoyWonder]

Sure sounds like the Heat are the real contender here and the Suns are being used for leverage.

They don’t have the assets. Plain and simple.

Which is why I think it's laughable people suggesting Heat should offer 2 or 3 picks.

Suns have zero picks to offer.

Heat should offer 1 pick, that offer wins.

[BBallFreak]

Sure sounds like the Heat are the real contender here and the Suns are being used for leverage.

They don’t have the assets. Plain and simple.

Which is why I think it's laughable people suggesting Heat should offer 2 or 3 picks.

Suns have zero picks to offer.

Heat should offer 1 pick, that offer wins.

Yup. I think the deal would have been done if Washington weren't trying to leverage more, here. Lowry and Oladipo plus a first or Jovic has to beat Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, and second rounders.

[Texas Chuck]

Sure sounds like the Heat are the real contender here and the Suns are being used for leverage.

They don’t have the assets. Plain and simple.

Which is why I think it's laughable people suggesting Heat should offer 2 or 3 picks.

Suns have zero picks to offer.

Heat should offer 1 pick, that offer wins.

Deals are never as simple as you are trying to make it here. It's not just theoretically beat the Suns offer by the lowest amount of value possible and you automatically win. Especially not when Beal basically gets to decide where he goes.

If Ayton has positive value(I'm not personally sold he has much if any, but plenty of other posters do) then the Suns can add value beyond expiring contracts.

But either way if Beal says I want Phoenix then Washington will either have to accept the Suns offer or keep the player. They can't send him to Miami without his okay.

[Domejandro]

Phoenix’s package looks uninspiring, but they technically have their swaps in 2024/2026/2030 to offer (+ lesser of Phoenix/Brooklyn swap in 2028), at the very least. It’s not infeasible that Phoenix could get him.

[BBallFreak]

Sure sounds like the Heat are the real contender here and the Suns are being used for leverage.

They don’t have the assets. Plain and simple.

Which is why I think it's laughable people suggesting Heat should offer 2 or 3 picks.

Suns have zero picks to offer.

Heat should offer 1 pick, that offer wins.

Deals are never as simple as you are trying to make it here. It's not just theoretically beat the Suns offer by the lowest amount of value possible and you automatically win. Especially not when Beal basically gets to decide where he goes.

If Ayton has positive value(I'm not personally sold he has much if any, but plenty of other posters do) then the Suns can add value beyond expiring contracts.

But either way if Beal says I want Phoenix then Washington will either have to accept the Suns offer or keep the player. They can't send him to Miami without his okay.

You're missing something though. It's apparent that the only way he wants Phoenix is if Ayton is still there. That means his value is moot.

[Texas Chuck]

Which is why I think it's laughable people suggesting Heat should offer 2 or 3 picks.

Suns have zero picks to offer.

Heat should offer 1 pick, that offer wins.

Deals are never as simple as you are trying to make it here. It's not just theoretically beat the Suns offer by the lowest amount of value possible and you automatically win. Especially not when Beal basically gets to decide where he goes.

If Ayton has positive value(I'm not personally sold he has much if any, but plenty of other posters do) then the Suns can add value beyond expiring contracts.

But either way if Beal says I want Phoenix then Washington will either have to accept the Suns offer or keep the player. They can't send him to Miami without his okay.

You're missing something though. It's apparent that the only way he wants Phoenix is if Ayton is still there. That means his value is moot.

I'm not ever going to be the poster who takes a report that best fits my narrative and runs with it. I don't at all know he only wants Phoenix if Ayton is there. Another possible reading of those reports is that Washington doesn't want Ayton's contract.

Sure if Beal is dying to play with Ayton, that's a factor, but I'd wonder why in the world he would be hitching his decision to Ayton. That doesn't pass any kind of BS test with me.

[BBallFreak]

Deals are never as simple as you are trying to make it here. It's not just theoretically beat the Suns offer by the lowest amount of value possible and you automatically win. Especially not when Beal basically gets to decide where he goes.

If Ayton has positive value(I'm not personally sold he has much if any, but plenty of other posters do) then the Suns can add value beyond expiring contracts.

But either way if Beal says I want Phoenix then Washington will either have to accept the Suns offer or keep the player. They can't send him to Miami without his okay.

You're missing something though. It's apparent that the only way he wants Phoenix is if Ayton is still there. That means his value is moot.

I'm not ever going to be the poster who takes a report that best fits my narrative and runs with it. I don't at all know he only wants Phoenix if Ayton is there. I read those reports as Washington not wanting to take on Ayton's contract. And I don't blame them.

Sure if Beal is dying to play with Ayton, that's a factor, but I'd wonder why in the world he would be hitching his decision to Ayton. That doesn't pass any kind of BS test with me.

I think it's about having a complete team to play with. A motivated Ayton covers a lot of defensive mistakes and playing in the west with Jokic means you need big bodies.

I think it's a bit ridiculous to just summarily dismiss reports like that. I mean, good for you that you can just dismiss stuff like that, I guess, but this all we really have to go on.