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Re: Detroit - Brooklyn 

Post#41 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:12 pm

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JKiddy wrote:In an alternate universe that might be closer than the majority of Nets fans believe, the possibility of a Cam Johnson trade likely only occurs if A) Ownership + Management decide it is time to break this whole thing up (or the majority of it) AND B) Bridges gives his blessing if they end up keeping him (or even out of respect if they aren't shortly before or thereafter). They operate as a very family friendly organization who do not burn bridges unless it is 100% warranted due to the failure of the other party.

If all of that came into play within a few hours I believe the Nets would ask for more than just a player who is about to end his career who is a former Net (although expiring shortly) and a 2nd round pick. I know we said a protected 1st. It might come down to what the protections were. If it were Top 2 or Top 3 then maybe the Nets consider it IF THEY GOT ALL THEIR PICKS BACK FROM HOUSTON. But, if it were much worse than that then I do not think they would do that with a full lottery protection.

Think about it. If the Nets cannot count on their own tank after blowing the team up (trading Bridges, Johnson, and or Claxton/Thomas) which likely sets them back another 4 years, then they would need more assets for their current assets (Cam Johnson being on of them who is on a fairly friendly contract).


Where do you get this value? CamJo has preformed worse for you then he ever did with us lol. Somehow you think this increases his value......

Also, if the Nets players were sooooo good and valuable, why are the Nets so bad?


Caveat: not agreeing with his valuations.

Brooklyn has a glut of 2-way wings, no power forwards and no PG.

It just so happens that rotation caliber 2-way wings are highly valued in this league.

But wings by themselves aren’t enough to be a good team.
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Re: Detroit - Brooklyn 

Post#42 » by tmorgan » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:20 pm

Cam Johnson is by no means on a “friendly contract”. Counting only likely incentives, he has basically 3 years left at about 23 mil a year.

He turns 28 in a month, and is averaging 14/4.5/2.5. TS 58%, solid but nothing spectacular defense by advanced stats. He’s a good shooting, solid defense, weak rebounding power forward and always has been.

It speaks to the horrible state of the Pistons that he’d be a massive upgrade to their forward rotation. He’s not overpaid, or at least not by much, but he’s certainly no bargain.
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Re: Detroit - Brooklyn 

Post#43 » by Slim Charless » Mon Feb 5, 2024 6:24 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
JKiddy wrote:In an alternate universe that might be closer than the majority of Nets fans believe, the possibility of a Cam Johnson trade likely only occurs if A) Ownership + Management decide it is time to break this whole thing up (or the majority of it) AND B) Bridges gives his blessing if they end up keeping him (or even out of respect if they aren't shortly before or thereafter). They operate as a very family friendly organization who do not burn bridges unless it is 100% warranted due to the failure of the other party.

If all of that came into play within a few hours I believe the Nets would ask for more than just a player who is about to end his career who is a former Net (although expiring shortly) and a 2nd round pick. I know we said a protected 1st. It might come down to what the protections were. If it were Top 2 or Top 3 then maybe the Nets consider it IF THEY GOT ALL THEIR PICKS BACK FROM HOUSTON. But, if it were much worse than that then I do not think they would do that with a full lottery protection.

Think about it. If the Nets cannot count on their own tank after blowing the team up (trading Bridges, Johnson, and or Claxton/Thomas) which likely sets them back another 4 years, then they would need more assets for their current assets (Cam Johnson being on of them who is on a fairly friendly contract).


Where do you get this value? CamJo has preformed worse for you then he ever did with us lol. Somehow you think this increases his value......

Also, if the Nets players were sooooo good and valuable, why are the Nets so bad?


Caveat: not agreeing with his valuations.

Brooklyn has a glut of 2-way wings, no power forwards and no PG.

It just so happens that rotation caliber 2-way wings are highly valued in this league.

But wings by themselves aren’t enough to be a good team.


That's fair. FTR I think the guy is a fake poster anyways. More than likely someone's burner account they use to say silly things, but don't wanna use their real account to say them.

As to the Nets, CamJo is valuable to the Pistons more than any other due to his relationship with Monty and the dire need for shooting they have. I think a 1st rd pick is fair, depending on where DET lands this yr. Unprotected is silly and asking for multiple unprotecteds is stupid.

If anything, you guys should offer him and some of your crappier picks to try and get Ivey. Monty doesn't seem to value him. Would give ur team a shot to get a PGOTF.
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Re: Detroit - Brooklyn 

Post#44 » by BK_2020 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 6:32 pm

tmorgan wrote:Cam Johnson is by no means on a “friendly contract”. Counting only likely incentives, he has basically 3 years left at about 23 mil a year.

He turns 28 in a month, and is averaging 14/4.5/2.5. TS 58%, solid but nothing spectacular defense by advanced stats. He’s a good shooting, solid defense, weak rebounding power forward and always has been.

It speaks to the horrible state of the Pistons that he’d be a massive upgrade to their forward rotation. He’s not overpaid, or at least not by much, but he’s certainly no bargain.

A good shooting, solid defense PF with length is quite valuable. Outside of star-quality players (e.g. Tatum or PG13), there's like 10 of them in the NBA.
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Re: Detroit - Brooklyn 

Post#45 » by tmorgan » Mon Feb 5, 2024 9:42 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Cam Johnson is by no means on a “friendly contract”. Counting only likely incentives, he has basically 3 years left at about 23 mil a year.

He turns 28 in a month, and is averaging 14/4.5/2.5. TS 58%, solid but nothing spectacular defense by advanced stats. He’s a good shooting, solid defense, weak rebounding power forward and always has been.

It speaks to the horrible state of the Pistons that he’d be a massive upgrade to their forward rotation. He’s not overpaid, or at least not by much, but he’s certainly no bargain.

A good shooting, solid defense PF with length is quite valuable. Outside of star-quality players (e.g. Tatum or PG13), there's like 10 of them in the NBA.


If Cam Johnson has “length”, he doesn’t do anything with it but get shots off. A third of a block per game in nearly 30 minutes, and doesn’t rebound much.

And yes, the nature of the league has turned most power forwards into what used to be small forwards, and most small forwards into what used to be big shooting guards. It has created a greater need for Cam’s archetype. But there are way more than 10 such players in the league.

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