Finally found Pelicans trade w/ATL/BKN/LAL

[Mrakar]

First of all, this trade is not happening because it is too big, but im pretty sure value is close.

Pelicans trade: B.Ingram, CJ Mccollum, Trey Murphy(or Jordan Hawkins), Dyson Daniels, Jonas Valanciunas, 2024 or 25 Lakers 1st rounder, 2025 Bucks 1st rounder, 2027 Bucks 1st rounder, 2024 and 2026 Bucks Swaps, Own 2025, 2027 and 2029 1st and 2 swaps.
Pelicans recieve: Trey Young, Mikal Bridges, Nic Claxton, Spencer Dinwiddie

Nets trade: Mikal Bridges, Nic Claxton, Spencer Dinwiddie
Nets recieve: Trey Murphy(or Jordan Hawkins), Dyson Daniels, D'Angelo Russell, Jonas Valanciunas, Gabe Vincent, Pelicans 2025 and 2029 First rounder, 2026, 2028 and 2030 swaps, Lakers 2024 or 2025 first rounder and 2 2nds, Bucks 20271st and 2024 swap.

Hawks trade: Trae Young
Hawks recieve: Brandon Ingram, Pelicans 2027 1st, Lakers 1st Bucks 2025 1st and 2026 swap.

Lakers trade: Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jaxson Hayes, 2027 first top 6 protected, 2x 2nds
Lakers recieve: CJ Mccollum

Pels lineup:
Young/Alvarado
Jones/Hawkins
Bridges/Marshall
Williamson/Nance
Claxton/Zeller

Long time i searched for something that Pels can do and go all-in and i think i finally got it. Trae and Zion would be an awesome offense and having 3 borderline all-defensive team players helps on the other end. Pels decide to split Ingram/Zion and go on the Zion route. They sacrifice a lot of young talent and picks but they think it is worth it.


Nets:
Russell/Simmons
Thomas/Daniels
Murphy/O'Neale
Johnson/Finney-Smith
Valanciunas/Sharpe

Their rotation is not finished since there are alson DFS and Royce O'Neale trades waiting in the line. They decide to cash in on Bridges and not to pay Claxton in the summer. They recoup a lot of picks in the process and get rid of Dinwiddie. I think this is hardest to swallow for the Nets since they cant go full rebuild. But im not sure if just staying afloat will bring anything. Players are already complaining about them playing home games like away games and i think they need the picks to try to get young star and make their team exciting again.

Hawks:

Murray/Buffking
Bogi/Matthews
Ingram/Bey
Johnson/Hunter
Capela/Okongwu

They decide to split Young-Murray combo but not the way most of the people thought. They bring in a player they think will fit better and try to mix things up. If i was Hawks GM i would try to move on from Capela also.

Lakers:

CJ/James
Reaves/Hood-Schifino
James/Prince
Hachimura/Vanderbilt
Davis/Wood

They decide to go with a bit older more proven player then D'Angelo for almost no cost. They get rid of Vincents contract in the process.



I think this can bury Pelicans franchise but i would still pull the triger. Lakers would be probably hesistant with CJ contract, but they are not getting anything better for D'Angelo and Gabe Vincent. Hawks may question Ingrams fit when Young didn't work, but i think they have to do something. And as already told Nets also have to do something and they get basicly 4 1st rounders, 2 young talents with upside and 4 swaps. Swaps have to be somehow worked in since they dont have their own picks but picks from Suns. Also we can change years of pelicans picks swaps if that makes more sense.

F, now when i read it again i think it is maybe too much from the Pelicans

EDITED: Added Lakers 1st after the feedback.

[JRoy]

No reason for PEL to consider this. CJ and Russel might be roughly equivalent. Hayes is a scrub with off court issues, Vincent is a bad contract and 2 SRP do not make up the difference.

[winforlose]

There is so much wrong with this I am only gonna address a few that blow it up.

1. Trae Young is not moving for Ingram, 2 firsts and a pick swap. Just not happening.

2. The Lakers are not getting CJ for D’lo, GV, Haye, and 2nds.

[Mrakar]

There is so much wrong with this I am only gonna address a few that blow it up.

1. Trae Young is not moving for Ingram, 2 firsts and a pick swap. Just not happening.

2. The Lakers are not getting CJ for D’lo, GV, Haye, and 2nds.

Would putting Lakers top 5 protected 1st and giving it to Hawks move the needle for you?

[winforlose]

There is so much wrong with this I am only gonna address a few that blow it up.

1. Trae Young is not moving for Ingram, 2 firsts and a pick swap. Just not happening.

2. The Lakers are not getting CJ for D’lo, GV, Haye, and 2nds.

Would putting Lakers top 5 protected 1st and giving it to Hawks move the needle for you?

Notice I only mentioned 2 of many problems I have with your suggestion. But to answer your question, it would need to probably be 4 unprotected picks (Murray himself cost 2 unprotected plus a protected first and he isn’t a top 25.) The issue is why does Atlanta who doesn’t own their own picks want to rely on BI and Murray as their core? Is not moving this year.

[Mrakar]

There is so much wrong with this I am only gonna address a few that blow it up.

1. Trae Young is not moving for Ingram, 2 firsts and a pick swap. Just not happening.

2. The Lakers are not getting CJ for D’lo, GV, Haye, and 2nds.

Would putting Lakers top 5 protected 1st and giving it to Hawks move the needle for you?

Notice I only mentioned 2 of many problems I have with your suggestion. But to answer your question, it would need to probably be 4 unprotected picks (Murray himself cost 2 unprotected plus a protected first and he isn’t a top 25.) The issue is why does Atlanta who doesn’t own their own picks want to rely on BI and Murray as their core? Is not moving this year.

I can understand you not wanting to pull the triger, but your evaluation is way off. Murray costed that when Hawks traded for him, now it is less as we have witnessed in these rumors.

Hawks are getting BI and picks, not filler and picks. No way in hell is Young 4 unprotected 1st rounders better then Ingram.

[winforlose]

Would putting Lakers top 5 protected 1st and giving it to Hawks move the needle for you?

Notice I only mentioned 2 of many problems I have with your suggestion. But to answer your question, it would need to probably be 4 unprotected picks (Murray himself cost 2 unprotected plus a protected first and he isn’t a top 25.) The issue is why does Atlanta who doesn’t own their own picks want to rely on BI and Murray as their core? Is not moving this year.

I can understand you not wanting to pull the triger, but your evaluation is way off. Murray costed that when Hawks traded for him, now it is less as we have witnessed in these rumors.

Hawks are getting BI and picks, not filler and picks. No way in hell is Young 4 unprotected 1st rounders better then Ingram.

Okay let’s dig deeper.

1. The Nets have a better deal on the table for Bridges than what you suggested. They should get their own picks and swaps back plus pick up a young player from Houston before moving Bridges for Pels picks (especially when your trying to load up the Pels,) and LAL pick/picks when they are the free agent destination of the NBA. The Nets get a bunch of bad picks and take on bad salary in Russell, dead money this year in GV (who may not be as good next year after missing a year.) I would have to dig into the swaps, but I imagine they have limited value, especially if the nets are rebuilding and the Pels are contending.


2. The Pels are adding Claxton to replace JV. This causes all kinds of spacing issues for Zion. They are dropping a 43.7% CJM
Gonna post as I go but edit to continue. I will make it known when I am done. Neither Trae nor SD can make up that loss. Trae is 35.6% from deep for his career, and SD is 33.1%. Trae this season is 38.4%, and SD is 32%. Ingram this season is 37.4%. In other words you took a Pels team that needs shooters around Zion and took most of that shooting away. Also worth noting that Trae is the Pels 1A, Zion is I assume 1B, and Bridges it the third option. That is not a team that wants to surrender all its draft capital.

3. ATL gets worse without owning its own picks in 25 and 27. They also owe a swap 26. Ingram is not a top 25 player, and they have no means of replacing their top player. Mitchell got more picks and Markkanen. Hard pass for the Hawks.

4. Lakers get too much value. They are not getting a CJ like talent without giving up Reaves.

I am done, you can respond when ready. Sorry about the fragmented answer, but this site sometimes refreshes.

[Mrakar]

Notice I only mentioned 2 of many problems I have with your suggestion. But to answer your question, it would need to probably be 4 unprotected picks (Murray himself cost 2 unprotected plus a protected first and he isn’t a top 25.) The issue is why does Atlanta who doesn’t own their own picks want to rely on BI and Murray as their core? Is not moving this year.

I can understand you not wanting to pull the triger, but your evaluation is way off. Murray costed that when Hawks traded for him, now it is less as we have witnessed in these rumors.

Hawks are getting BI and picks, not filler and picks. No way in hell is Young 4 unprotected 1st rounders better then Ingram.

Okay let’s dig deeper.

1. The Nets have a better deal on the table for Bridges than what you suggested. They should get their own picks and swaps back plus pick up a young player from Houston before moving Bridges for Pels picks (especially when your trying to load up the Pels,) and LAL pick/picks when they are the free agent destination of the NBA. The Nets get a bunch of bad picks and take on bad salary in Russell, dead money this year in GV (who may not be as good next year after missing a year.) I would have to dig into the swaps, but I imagine they have limited value, especially if the nets are rebuilding and the Pels are contending.


2. The Pels are adding Claxton to replace JV. This causes all kinds of spacing issues for Zion. They are dropping a 43.7% CJM
Gonna post as I go but edit to continue. I will make it known when I am done. Neither Trae nor SD can make up that loss. Trae is 35.6% from deep for his career, and SD is 33.1%. Trae this season is 38.4%, and SD is 32%. Ingram this season is 37.4%. In other words you took a Pels team that needs shooters around Zion and took most of that shooting away. Also worth noting that Trae is the Pels 1A, Zion is I assume 1B, and Bridges it the third option. That is not a team that wants to surrender all its draft capital.

3. ATL gets worse without owning its own picks in 25 and 27. They also owe a swap 26. Ingram is not a top 25 player, and they have no means of replacing their top player. Mitchell got more picks and Markkanen. Hard pass for the Hawks.

4. Lakers get too much value. They are not getting a CJ like talent without giving up Reaves.

I am done, you can respond when ready. Sorry about the fragmented answer, but this site sometimes refreshes.

1. Nets bet that Pels will colapse. With Zions health that is always an option. Having their picks is never a bad thing. Also having Bucks picks is not a bad option when you look current situation. You cant say Pels give up too much and Nets get too little, that doesn't make sense. How can they have better deal on the table then this? How much is Mikal Worth? 7 1st rounders?

2. Yes JV is "floor spacer" but he doesn't take a lot of 3's and he is not vertical spacer as Claxton is. Also Pels have Nance there and can stagger the minutes between Zion and Claxton for big part of the game. Pels desperately need rim protection and vertical spacing. That said i understand your point here but would still like for Pels to try something. In point #1 you say Nets don't need Pels picks when we are loading Pels but now you say Pels shouldnt surrender their draft capital with this team, again makes no sense.

3. Mitchell is a better player then Young and he got 3 picks and 2 swaps. Markkanen had nowhere this value back then. Cavs didn't want to extend Sexton and and he also had almost no value after that injury. I've added Lakers pick to Hawks, that makes it 2 1sts and a swap + Ingram. You cant tell me Ingram is not worth more then 3 firsts which adds it to 5 1sts and swap at least(Ingram is probably worth more).

4. I agree with you with Lakers part, that is why i am editing it and putting Lakers 1st in there. However Lakers getting too much value cant make up that in your opinion all other 3 teams in the deal get a bad deal, that would imply that Lakers are stealing value from all 3.

Thanks for the feedback, always appriciated even when i don't agree.

[winforlose]

I can understand you not wanting to pull the triger, but your evaluation is way off. Murray costed that when Hawks traded for him, now it is less as we have witnessed in these rumors.

Hawks are getting BI and picks, not filler and picks. No way in hell is Young 4 unprotected 1st rounders better then Ingram.

Okay let’s dig deeper.

1. The Nets have a better deal on the table for Bridges than what you suggested. They should get their own picks and swaps back plus pick up a young player from Houston before moving Bridges for Pels picks (especially when your trying to load up the Pels,) and LAL pick/picks when they are the free agent destination of the NBA. The Nets get a bunch of bad picks and take on bad salary in Russell, dead money this year in GV (who may not be as good next year after missing a year.) I would have to dig into the swaps, but I imagine they have limited value, especially if the nets are rebuilding and the Pels are contending.


2. The Pels are adding Claxton to replace JV. This causes all kinds of spacing issues for Zion. They are dropping a 43.7% CJM
Gonna post as I go but edit to continue. I will make it known when I am done. Neither Trae nor SD can make up that loss. Trae is 35.6% from deep for his career, and SD is 33.1%. Trae this season is 38.4%, and SD is 32%. Ingram this season is 37.4%. In other words you took a Pels team that needs shooters around Zion and took most of that shooting away. Also worth noting that Trae is the Pels 1A, Zion is I assume 1B, and Bridges it the third option. That is not a team that wants to surrender all its draft capital.

3. ATL gets worse without owning its own picks in 25 and 27. They also owe a swap 26. Ingram is not a top 25 player, and they have no means of replacing their top player. Mitchell got more picks and Markkanen. Hard pass for the Hawks.

4. Lakers get too much value. They are not getting a CJ like talent without giving up Reaves.

I am done, you can respond when ready. Sorry about the fragmented answer, but this site sometimes refreshes.

1. Nets bet that Pels will colapse. With Zions health that is always an option. Having their picks is never a bad thing. Also having Bucks picks is not a bad option when you look current situation. You cant say Pels give up too much and Nets get too little, that doesn't make sense. How can they have better deal on the table then this? How much is Mikal Worth? 7 1st rounders?

2. Yes JV is "floor spacer" but he doesn't take a lot of 3's and he is not vertical spacer as Claxton is. Also Pels have Nance there and can stagger the minutes between Zion and Claxton for big part of the game. Pels desperately need rim protection and vertical spacing. That said i understand your point here but would still like for Pels to try something. In point #1 you say Nets don't need Pels picks when we are loading Pels but now you say Pels shouldnt surrender their draft capital with this team, again makes no sense.

3. Mitchell is a better player then Young and he got 3 picks and 2 swaps. Markkanen had nowhere this value back then. Cavs didn't want to extend Sexton and and he also had almost no value after that injury. I've added Lakers pick to Hawks, that makes it 2 1sts and a swap + Ingram. You cant tell me Ingram is not worth more then 3 firsts which adds it to 5 1sts and swap at least(Ingram is probably worth more).

4. I agree with you with Lakers part, that is why i am editing it and putting Lakers 1st in there. However Lakers getting too much value cant make up that in your opinion all other 3 teams in the deal get a bad deal, that would imply that Lakers are stealing value from all 3.

Thanks for the feedback, always appriciated even when i don't agree.

To clarify, The Nets are better off with their own picks for Bridges. In a different thread I suggested Eason instead of Jalen Green plus Jeff Green for Salary and a return of all draft capital.

Also I was saying the Pels don’t want Bridges, Claxton, and Young to replace CJ, BI, and JV plus the other shooter you include, because that new combination lacks floor spacing. CJ is light years ahead of Trae in shooting, and Trae’s play making doesn’t help with Zion on ball. The best approach for Zion is max shooting around him. You want a KAT, Vuc, style big not a Claxton.

Also the Pels giving away their draft capital should make them significantly better, and this at best feels lateral. The Nets would also worry that if the Pels did improve those swap’s aren’t worth much.

As for Mitchell being better than Young, ATl would strongly disagree. They need to sign off on the move, and they aren’t going to concede that point in a trade.

[Mrakar]

Okay let’s dig deeper.

1. The Nets have a better deal on the table for Bridges than what you suggested. They should get their own picks and swaps back plus pick up a young player from Houston before moving Bridges for Pels picks (especially when your trying to load up the Pels,) and LAL pick/picks when they are the free agent destination of the NBA. The Nets get a bunch of bad picks and take on bad salary in Russell, dead money this year in GV (who may not be as good next year after missing a year.) I would have to dig into the swaps, but I imagine they have limited value, especially if the nets are rebuilding and the Pels are contending.


2. The Pels are adding Claxton to replace JV. This causes all kinds of spacing issues for Zion. They are dropping a 43.7% CJM
Gonna post as I go but edit to continue. I will make it known when I am done. Neither Trae nor SD can make up that loss. Trae is 35.6% from deep for his career, and SD is 33.1%. Trae this season is 38.4%, and SD is 32%. Ingram this season is 37.4%. In other words you took a Pels team that needs shooters around Zion and took most of that shooting away. Also worth noting that Trae is the Pels 1A, Zion is I assume 1B, and Bridges it the third option. That is not a team that wants to surrender all its draft capital.

3. ATL gets worse without owning its own picks in 25 and 27. They also owe a swap 26. Ingram is not a top 25 player, and they have no means of replacing their top player. Mitchell got more picks and Markkanen. Hard pass for the Hawks.

4. Lakers get too much value. They are not getting a CJ like talent without giving up Reaves.

I am done, you can respond when ready. Sorry about the fragmented answer, but this site sometimes refreshes.

1. Nets bet that Pels will colapse. With Zions health that is always an option. Having their picks is never a bad thing. Also having Bucks picks is not a bad option when you look current situation. You cant say Pels give up too much and Nets get too little, that doesn't make sense. How can they have better deal on the table then this? How much is Mikal Worth? 7 1st rounders?

2. Yes JV is "floor spacer" but he doesn't take a lot of 3's and he is not vertical spacer as Claxton is. Also Pels have Nance there and can stagger the minutes between Zion and Claxton for big part of the game. Pels desperately need rim protection and vertical spacing. That said i understand your point here but would still like for Pels to try something. In point #1 you say Nets don't need Pels picks when we are loading Pels but now you say Pels shouldnt surrender their draft capital with this team, again makes no sense.

3. Mitchell is a better player then Young and he got 3 picks and 2 swaps. Markkanen had nowhere this value back then. Cavs didn't want to extend Sexton and and he also had almost no value after that injury. I've added Lakers pick to Hawks, that makes it 2 1sts and a swap + Ingram. You cant tell me Ingram is not worth more then 3 firsts which adds it to 5 1sts and swap at least(Ingram is probably worth more).

4. I agree with you with Lakers part, that is why i am editing it and putting Lakers 1st in there. However Lakers getting too much value cant make up that in your opinion all other 3 teams in the deal get a bad deal, that would imply that Lakers are stealing value from all 3.

Thanks for the feedback, always appriciated even when i don't agree.

To clarify, The Nets are better off with their own picks for Bridges. In a different thread I suggested Eason instead of Jalen Green plus Jeff Green for Salary and a return of all draft capital.

Also I was saying the Pels don’t want Bridges, Claxton, and Young to replace CJ, BI, and JV plus the other shooter you include, because that new combination lacks floor spacing. CJ is light years ahead of Trae in shooting, and Trae’s play making doesn’t help with Zion on ball. The best approach for Zion is max shooting around him. You want a KAT, Vuc, style big not a Claxton.

Also the Pels giving away their draft capital should make them significantly better, and this at best feels lateral. The Nets would also worry that if the Pels did improve those swap’s aren’t worth much.

As for Mitchell being better than Young, ATl would strongly disagree. They need to sign off on the move, and they aren’t going to concede that point in a trade.

I agree that Nets are better with those picks, but im pretty sure they are not getting them.
Also CJ is ligh ahead of Trae because he has ZI gravity there, lets see how Trae would do in that situation.
You cant have KAT/Vuc style big with Zion because defense would be attrocious, that is why i went with claxton.

I agree that Pels are giving too much, that is why deal is not happening, but its funny that Pels are giving up too much and at the same time no1 else is staisfied...

[winforlose]

1. Nets bet that Pels will colapse. With Zions health that is always an option. Having their picks is never a bad thing. Also having Bucks picks is not a bad option when you look current situation. You cant say Pels give up too much and Nets get too little, that doesn't make sense. How can they have better deal on the table then this? How much is Mikal Worth? 7 1st rounders?

2. Yes JV is "floor spacer" but he doesn't take a lot of 3's and he is not vertical spacer as Claxton is. Also Pels have Nance there and can stagger the minutes between Zion and Claxton for big part of the game. Pels desperately need rim protection and vertical spacing. That said i understand your point here but would still like for Pels to try something. In point #1 you say Nets don't need Pels picks when we are loading Pels but now you say Pels shouldnt surrender their draft capital with this team, again makes no sense.

3. Mitchell is a better player then Young and he got 3 picks and 2 swaps. Markkanen had nowhere this value back then. Cavs didn't want to extend Sexton and and he also had almost no value after that injury. I've added Lakers pick to Hawks, that makes it 2 1sts and a swap + Ingram. You cant tell me Ingram is not worth more then 3 firsts which adds it to 5 1sts and swap at least(Ingram is probably worth more).

4. I agree with you with Lakers part, that is why i am editing it and putting Lakers 1st in there. However Lakers getting too much value cant make up that in your opinion all other 3 teams in the deal get a bad deal, that would imply that Lakers are stealing value from all 3.

Thanks for the feedback, always appriciated even when i don't agree.

To clarify, The Nets are better off with their own picks for Bridges. In a different thread I suggested Eason instead of Jalen Green plus Jeff Green for Salary and a return of all draft capital.

Also I was saying the Pels don’t want Bridges, Claxton, and Young to replace CJ, BI, and JV plus the other shooter you include, because that new combination lacks floor spacing. CJ is light years ahead of Trae in shooting, and Trae’s play making doesn’t help with Zion on ball. The best approach for Zion is max shooting around him. You want a KAT, Vuc, style big not a Claxton.

Also the Pels giving away their draft capital should make them significantly better, and this at best feels lateral. The Nets would also worry that if the Pels did improve those swap’s aren’t worth much.

As for Mitchell being better than Young, ATl would strongly disagree. They need to sign off on the move, and they aren’t going to concede that point in a trade.

I agree that Nets are better with those picks, but im pretty sure they are not getting them.
Also CJ is ligh ahead of Trae because he has ZI gravity there, lets see how Trae would do in that situation.
You cant have KAT/Vuc style big with Zion because defense would be attrocious, that is why i went with claxton.

I agree that Pels are giving too much, that is why deal is not happening, but its funny that Pels are giving up too much and at the same time no1 else is staisfied...

It is mix of roster construction and sell low. Trae for BI makes the Hawks hard up for ways to improve. The Rockets already offered the Nets their picks back, so that is their sell low point. Pels just don’t get better fitting pieces around Zion. If anything Pels should move Zion for a more consistent player and try to sell as high as they can.

[Mrakar]

I just listened to Bill Simmons trade value list podcast. He had Young at #51 and BI at 36. Maybe the Hawks got too much here?

[winforlose]

I just listened to Bill Simmons trade value list podcast. He had Young at #51 and BI at 36. Maybe the Hawks got too much here?

Maybe, but the audience you have to convince is the Hawks FO. Somehow I doubt they agree

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Is CJ better than DLo as a player and contract wise? Paying a lightly protected first to be in the same tier is a non started