Jalen Green (+/-) for Mikal Bridges?

[vincecarter4pres]

If the Nets traded Bridges to Houston today for all swaps, picks with no protections, and an added 1st rounder with Whitmore and an expiring they would likely have to move Cam Johnson too. If they can keep DFS, Claxton, D. Sharpe, Cam Thomas, with Lonnie W and DSJ and bring in a solid PG for either CamJo or Dinwiddie then I would not be super opposed to this IF they feel like they will strike out on Luka, Giannis, SGA, D Mitch, Trae, or whomever they feel like might come our way... DO IT

I agree with the premise that if the Nets move Bridges they should also move Johnson.
My question is how badly do the Rockets want Bridges? I cannot fathom the Nets turning down 5 FRPs unless they were so far in the future it would be pointless.
Nets should send Bridges to Rockets for 3 young players and a return of their picks/swaps.
Bridges = Eason, Green, Whitmore and the Nets picks
Johnson to Detroit for Morris, Hayes, Knox

Nets get a reboot with youth, move DFS, O'Neale, and Dinwiddie for picks/expirings.

Tend to think the Rockets will want to keep Whitmore, most or all BK picks returned, additional Houston pick added.

Don’t think BK will move him because they’re convinced they’re getting Mitchell somehow, and one of Markkanen or Ingram, through a combination of trades and free agency.

[Hoppy1]

I see the argument both ways. But, since the lotto rules have significantly changed tanking just does not truly work anymore. Therefore, if the Nets know that Bridges is a #2 on a great team and they get the #1 this summer or tomorrow.... then I think that wraps up this conversation.

I think if they know #1 is coming they should obviously keep the NBA's best two way #2 in the league who is on a TEAM FRIENDLY CONTRACT before the insane penalties begin.

The most valuable contracts are stud rookies on rookie deals and Bridges. That is why teams want to trade 5 1sts for him with a young promising player. He is the key to winning and plug and playing on probably half the NBA teams.

But, BK loves the guy.

If BK won't get back to TOP 3 in the East within 2 years (or 3) then blow it up now with your picks. But, if he won't be the #1 for long then let the Nets be patient. Patience is a virtue in this league. BK can build off this.

Who is the potential #1 that can be contracted via free agency? I don't see a difference maker that is likely to switch teams.
Anyone they bring in would have to be through trade. If you are trading for a #1, you can bet at least one of Johnson, Bridges, or Thomas are involved (assuming Claxton stays).
If you jump to '25, you have a couple of players in Tatum (staying with Celtics), Mitchell and Ingram.

[vincecarter4pres]

I see the argument both ways. But, since the lotto rules have significantly changed tanking just does not truly work anymore. Therefore, if the Nets know that Bridges is a #2 on a great team and they get the #1 this summer or tomorrow.... then I think that wraps up this conversation.

I think if they know #1 is coming they should obviously keep the NBA's best two way #2 in the league who is on a TEAM FRIENDLY CONTRACT before the insane penalties begin.

The most valuable contracts are stud rookies on rookie deals and Bridges. That is why teams want to trade 5 1sts for him with a young promising player. He is the key to winning and plug and playing on probably half the NBA teams.

But, BK loves the guy.

If BK won't get back to TOP 3 in the East within 2 years (or 3) then blow it up now with your picks. But, if he won't be the #1 for long then let the Nets be patient. Patience is a virtue in this league. BK can build off this.

Who is the potential #1 that can be contracted via free agency? I don't see a difference maker that is likely to switch teams.
Anyone they bring in would have to be through trade. If you are trading for a #1, you can bet at least one of Johnson, Bridges, or Thomas are involved (assuming Claxton stays).
If you jump to '25, you have a couple of players in Tatum (staying with Celtics), Mitchell and Ingram.

For better or worse, the main target is Mitchell, Brooklyn has not hidden this at all irl.

[Hoppy1]

If the Nets traded Bridges to Houston today for all swaps, picks with no protections, and an added 1st rounder with Whitmore and an expiring they would likely have to move Cam Johnson too. If they can keep DFS, Claxton, D. Sharpe, Cam Thomas, with Lonnie W and DSJ and bring in a solid PG for either CamJo or Dinwiddie then I would not be super opposed to this IF they feel like they will strike out on Luka, Giannis, SGA, D Mitch, Trae, or whomever they feel like might come our way... DO IT

I agree with the premise that if the Nets move Bridges they should also move Johnson.
My question is how badly do the Rockets want Bridges? I cannot fathom the Nets turning down 5 FRPs unless they were so far in the future it would be pointless.
Nets should send Bridges to Rockets for 3 young players and a return of their picks/swaps.
Bridges = Eason, Green, Whitmore and the Nets picks
Johnson to Detroit for Morris, Hayes, Knox

Nets get a reboot with youth, move DFS, O'Neale, and Dinwiddie for picks/expirings.

Tend to think the Rockets will want to keep Whitmore, most or all BK picks returned, additional Houston pick added.

Don’t think BK will move him because they’re convinced they’re getting Mitchell somehow, and one of Markkanen or Ingram, through a combination of trades and free agency.

I don't think Nets move him either, but it just makes sense. I see no reason to live in the play-in game realm waiting, when if the moves are made the Nets suffer but come out much much better.
It depends on how badly the Rockets want him.

It is all conjecture.

[ThatBoyNick]

Most would take Amen/Whitmore in the top 6 or so if we redrafted today, these guys aren’t throw ins.

Bridges isn’t a #1, he isn’t a #2, he isn’t an allstar caliber player. He’s a very good starter to “borderline allstar” at best. These valuations of all the BKN pick/swaps, additional firsts, throwing in one or multiple of Jalen/Eason/Whitmore/Thompson is ridiculous

If Bridges valuation is that of a superstar, hard pass

[Hoppy1]

I see the argument both ways. But, since the lotto rules have significantly changed tanking just does not truly work anymore. Therefore, if the Nets know that Bridges is a #2 on a great team and they get the #1 this summer or tomorrow.... then I think that wraps up this conversation.

I think if they know #1 is coming they should obviously keep the NBA's best two way #2 in the league who is on a TEAM FRIENDLY CONTRACT before the insane penalties begin.

The most valuable contracts are stud rookies on rookie deals and Bridges. That is why teams want to trade 5 1sts for him with a young promising player. He is the key to winning and plug and playing on probably half the NBA teams.

But, BK loves the guy.

If BK won't get back to TOP 3 in the East within 2 years (or 3) then blow it up now with your picks. But, if he won't be the #1 for long then let the Nets be patient. Patience is a virtue in this league. BK can build off this.

Who is the potential #1 that can be contracted via free agency? I don't see a difference maker that is likely to switch teams.
Anyone they bring in would have to be through trade. If you are trading for a #1, you can bet at least one of Johnson, Bridges, or Thomas are involved (assuming Claxton stays).
If you jump to '25, you have a couple of players in Tatum (staying with Celtics), Mitchell and Ingram.

For better or worse, the main target is Mitchell, Brooklyn has not hidden this at all irl.

Right, but how do the Nets get him without trading their money pieces? Cavs won't want Simmons (Garland at PG, Mobley at PF), don't need Claxton (Allen). The only pieces they could use would be Bridges > Okoro or Johnson as a 6th man shooter.
If the Nets remove Bridges to get Mitchell, they are slightly better than before the trade but with less financial flexibility.

Brooklyn needs to jump on the trade of Bridges for youth and picks before Houston wises up and offers those picks to other teams for a SF. Think NOP turns down multiple FRPs (which would include Brooklyn's) and players such as Green/Eason for Ingram? Or Charlotte would say no to Miles Bridges for Eason and a Brooklyn FRP?

Heck Danny Ainge (the Collector) might be willing to move Markkanen for Eason and 5 FRPs.

[Hoppy1]

Most would take Amen/Whitmore in the top 6 or so if we redrafted today, these guys aren’t throw ins.

Bridges isn’t a #1, he isn’t a #2, he isn’t an allstar caliber player. He’s a very good starter. These valuations of all the BKN picks, throwing in one or multiple of Jalen/Eason/Whitmore/Thompson are ridiculous

If Bridges valuation is that of a superstar, hard pass

Like I said, it all depends on how badly Houston wants Bridges. Bridges is not going to have a Jimmy Butler effect on Houston.
Are there better options, heck yes.

[vincecarter4pres]

Who is the potential #1 that can be contracted via free agency? I don't see a difference maker that is likely to switch teams.
Anyone they bring in would have to be through trade. If you are trading for a #1, you can bet at least one of Johnson, Bridges, or Thomas are involved (assuming Claxton stays).
If you jump to '25, you have a couple of players in Tatum (staying with Celtics), Mitchell and Ingram.

For better or worse, the main target is Mitchell, Brooklyn has not hidden this at all irl.

Right, but how do the Nets get him without trading their money pieces? Cavs won't want Simmons (Garland at PG, Mobley at PF), don't need Claxton (Allen). The only pieces they could use would be Bridges > Okoro or Johnson as a 6th man shooter.
If the Nets remove Bridges to get Mitchell, they are slightly better than before the trade but with less financial flexibility.

Brooklyn needs to jump on the trade of Bridges for youth and picks before Houston wises up and offers those picks to other teams for a SF. Think NOP turns down multiple FRPs (which would include Brooklyn's) and players such as Green/Eason for Ingram? Or Charlotte would say no to Miles Bridges for Eason and a Brooklyn FRP?

Heck Danny Ainge (the Collector) might be willing to move Markkanen for Eason and 5 FRPs.

They’re banking on either free agency, or trading picks and the such for him with expiring salary between this summer and the deadline, which I don’t think is all that outlandish.

They would never trade Bridges for Mitchell, they want to be paired.

Don’t see why Houston would dream of bringing Miles Bridges in, especially for a Brooklyn pick. He’s a scumbag, he has no Bird Rights, and he really just isn’t very good.

Ingram or Marrkanen to Houston could certainly happen.

[Tha King]

Most would take Amen/Whitmore in the top 6 or so if we redrafted today, these guys aren’t throw ins.

Bridges isn’t a #1, he isn’t a #2, he isn’t an allstar caliber player. He’s a very good starter. These valuations of all the BKN picks, throwing in one or multiple of Jalen/Eason/Whitmore/Thompson are ridiculous

If Bridges valuation is that of a superstar, hard pass

Like I said, it all depends on how badly Houston wants Bridges. Bridges is not going to have a Jimmy Butler effect on Houston.
Are there better options, heck yes.

better options for what though? If it's just the Nets (4) picks (2 picks including this upcoming draft and 2 swaps) I doubt that returns a player as valuable as Bridges, all things considered (AS caliber and on a great contract).

[vincecarter4pres]

Most would take Amen/Whitmore in the top 6 or so if we redrafted today, these guys aren’t throw ins.

Bridges isn’t a #1, he isn’t a #2, he isn’t an allstar caliber player. He’s a very good starter. These valuations of all the BKN picks, throwing in one or multiple of Jalen/Eason/Whitmore/Thompson are ridiculous

If Bridges valuation is that of a superstar, hard pass

Like I said, it all depends on how badly Houston wants Bridges. Bridges is not going to have a Jimmy Butler effect on Houston.
Are there better options, heck yes.

better options for what though? If it's just the Nets (4) picks (2 picks including this upcoming draft and 2 swaps) I doubt that returns a player as valuable as Bridges, all things considered (AS caliber and on a great contract).

And sometimes the best option is to bring in a elite ceiling raiser to your young star studded core, instead of trying to force another egotistical floor raiser and usage dominator.

By all accounts Bridges is a great leader and lockerroom guy as well.

[ThatBoyNick]

Like I said, it all depends on how badly Houston wants Bridges. Bridges is not going to have a Jimmy Butler effect on Houston.
Are there better options, heck yes.

better options for what though? If it's just the Nets (4) picks (2 picks including this upcoming draft and 2 swaps) I doubt that returns a player as valuable as Bridges, all things considered (AS caliber and on a great contract).

And sometimes the best option is to bring in a elite ceiling raiser to your young star studded core, instead of trying to force another egotistical floor raiser and usage dominator.

By all accounts Bridges is a great leader and lockerroom guy as well.

That's all fine, he can be a good target for Houston, you can argue he's better for us then targeting a superstar so our young guys have space to grow.

That doesn't however mean he has superstar valuation, him being a good target does not double, or triple his valuation.

[vincecarter4pres]

better options for what though? If it's just the Nets (4) picks (2 picks including this upcoming draft and 2 swaps) I doubt that returns a player as valuable as Bridges, all things considered (AS caliber and on a great contract).

And sometimes the best option is to bring in a elite ceiling raiser to your young star studded core, instead of trying to force another egotistical floor raiser and usage dominator.

By all accounts Bridges is a great leader and lockerroom guy as well.

That's all fine, he can be a good target for Houston, you can argue he's better for us then targeting a superstar so our young guys have space to grow.

That doesn't however mean he has superstar valuation, him being a good target does not double, or triple his valuation.

I have to agree with The King though, it’s not superstar valuation.

It’s two firsts outright and two swaps.

And maybe one prospect who isn’t much of one that you guys almost seem to want to give away (Green), or Eason or Whitmore, which besides the latter some Rockets fans now think is worth a top 30 player on his own because of a 10 game heater, seems pretty reasonable for an All Star level player in his dead prime signed to one of the best contracts in the league.

Thompson is probably not on the table, I’d imagine.

Maybe the ‘27 swap isn’t relinquished.

I find it hard to believe many teams are giving up a player of Bridges caliber, again in his prime, again on one of the most team friendly contracts literally in sports outside rookie scale, whose team has absolutely no desire to trade none the less, let alone a superstar, or even a perennial All Star for that matter. Because if not a player of Bridges ilk, you’re at least asking for the latter.

The valuation seems about exactly correct.

This isn’t Jerami Grant we’re talking about.

You tell me some actual specific names you think the 4(2+2) pick package with one of Green, Eason or Whitmore returns, I’m legitimately curious to hear this list.

[ThatBoyNick]

I have to agree with The King though, it’s not superstar valuation.

It’s two firsts outright and two swaps.

And maybe one prospect who isn’t much of one that you guys almost seem to want to give away (Green), or Eason or Whitmore, which besides the latter some Rockets fans now think is worth a top 30 player on his own because of a 10 game heater, seems pretty reasonable for an All Star level starter in his dead prime signed to one of the best contracts in the league.

Thompson is probably not on the table, I’d imagine.

Maybe the ‘27 swap isn’t relinquished.

I find it hard to believe many teams are giving up a player of Bridges caliber, again in his prime, again on one of the most team friendly contracts literally in sports outside rookie scale, whose team has absolutely no desire to trade none the less, let alone a superstar, or even a perennial All Star for that matter.

The valuation seems about exactly correct.

This isn’t Jerami Grant we’re talking about.

You tell me some actual specific names you think the 4(2+2) pick package with one of Green, Eason or Whitmore returns, I’m legitimately curious to hear this list.

I really don't think Bridges is too different from Jerami Grant as far as on-court impact goes. Bridges is simply not an all-star level guy, he is the definition of borderline all-star, similar to guys like FVV, Grant, and so on. Really great starters, guys you would like to have as your 3rd best players, not stars, not guys that you can ask or rely on to carry a team to the playoffs. Clearly, given all of their team's standings. -- Value wise, Grant is a little bit older, on a moderately larger/longer contract with a PO, and has had some injuries in his recent past, all that combined makes a difference on market value.

As far as the 2+2 package, the value is very hard to determine without knowing the specific franchise involved due to the nature of trading swaps, and any franchise set to benefit the most from the swaps would be in an unlikely position to be trading away key players - unlike the Nets.

For a team to get both the 2024 & 2026 Nets picks, and the rights to swap with the Nets picks VIA HOU in 2025 & 2027, they would have to trade us unprotected 2025 & 2027 picks to swap those with, because of the Stepien rules (Hou doesn't own its own picks in 2024 or 2026). So what value are those picks being sent to us?

For the Nets we know, unfortunately, it's not Houstons picks they will receive in the swaps, it's the Thunders, who currently have the 2nd best record in the league, with an extremely young core all under team control until at least 2027. So these swaps being canceled are worth potentially quite a bit, potentially the difference of 20+ selections. A first isn't just a first and a swap isn't just a swap. That's why teams confident in being perennially elite hand them out like candy, and bottom feeders don't.

Then, I wouldn't interchangeably swap around Jalen/Eason/Whitmore value-wise. I think Whitmore currently has a lot more value than Eason, who probably has more value than Jalen. The tools Cam is showing at 19 in this league are ridiculous. -- I'd assume Cam's market value would be something similar to a projected high lottery pick. Eason on the other hand, is more like a late-lotto/mid-first, and Green a mid-late first.

As far as targets, like you mentioned true star and superstar players aren't available until they are, and at that point it's a bidding war between teams they're willing to go to. In those situations, I feel like Houston will have a fair bid with our assets.

I feel confident we could get these 3rd tier guys who are available for the right price (Lauri/Murray/Grant) for less, but obviously, they all have varying values and contract situations.

Look, I try my best to not be a hack, and this is all way too nuanced for a non hacky message board discussion

That being said, I've mentioned before, I'd do Jalen + all BKN picks for Bridges + the Suns 2029 UNP 1st. I feel like that's a strong premium overpay price for Houston, too. If you swap in Eason for Green the picks change, and if you swap in Whitmore or Amen they change even more.

[vincecarter4pres]

I have to agree with The King though, it’s not superstar valuation.

It’s two firsts outright and two swaps.

And maybe one prospect who isn’t much of one that you guys almost seem to want to give away (Green), or Eason or Whitmore, which besides the latter some Rockets fans now think is worth a top 30 player on his own because of a 10 game heater, seems pretty reasonable for an All Star level starter in his dead prime signed to one of the best contracts in the league.

Thompson is probably not on the table, I’d imagine.

Maybe the ‘27 swap isn’t relinquished.

I find it hard to believe many teams are giving up a player of Bridges caliber, again in his prime, again on one of the most team friendly contracts literally in sports outside rookie scale, whose team has absolutely no desire to trade none the less, let alone a superstar, or even a perennial All Star for that matter.

The valuation seems about exactly correct.

This isn’t Jerami Grant we’re talking about.

You tell me some actual specific names you think the 4(2+2) pick package with one of Green, Eason or Whitmore returns, I’m legitimately curious to hear this list.

I really don't think Bridges is too different from Jerami Grant as far as on-court impact goes. Bridges is simply not an all-star level guy, he is the definition of borderline all-star, similar to guys like FVV, Grant, and so on. Really great starters, guys you would like to have as your 3rd best players, not stars, not guys that you can ask or rely on to carry a team to the playoffs. Clearly, given all of their team's standings. -- Value wise, Grant is a little bit older, on a moderately larger/longer contract with a PO, and has had some injuries in his recent past, all that combined makes a difference on market value.

As far as the 2+2 package, the value is very hard to determine without knowing the specific franchise involved due to the nature of trading swaps, and any franchise set to benefit the most from the swaps would be in an unlikely position to be trading away key players - unlike the Nets.

For a team to get both the 2024 & 2026 Nets picks, and the rights to swap with the Nets picks VIA HOU in 2025 & 2027, they would have to trade us unprotected 2025 & 2027 picks to swap those with, because of the Stepien rules (Hou doesn't own its own picks in 2024 or 2026). So what value are those picks being sent to us?

For the Nets we know, unfortunately, it's not Houstons picks they will receive in the swaps, it's the Thunders, who currently have the 2nd best record in the league, with an extremely young core all under team control until at least 2027. So these swaps being canceled are worth potentially quite a bit, potentially the difference of 20+ selections. A first isn't just a first and a swap isn't just a swap. That's why teams confident in being perennially elite hand them out like candy, and bottom feeders don't.

Then, I wouldn't interchangeably swap around Jalen/Eason/Whitmore value-wise. I think Whitmore currently has a lot more value than Eason, who probably has more value than Jalen. The tools Cam is showing at 19 in this league are ridiculous. -- I'd assume Cam's market value would be something similar to a projected high lottery pick. Eason on the other hand, is more like a late-lotto/mid-first, and Green a mid-late first.

As far as targets, like you mentioned true star and superstar players aren't available until they are, and at that point it's a bidding war between teams they're willing to go to. In those situations, I feel like Houston will have a fair bid with our assets.

I feel confident we could get these 3rd tier guys who are available for the right price (Lauri/Murray/Grant) for less, but obviously, they all have varying values and contract situations.

Look, I try my best to not be a hack, and this is all way too nuanced for a non hacky message board discussion

That being said, I've mentioned before, I'd do Jalen + all BKN picks for Bridges + the Suns 2029 UNP 1st. I feel like that's a strong premium overpay price for Houston, too. If you swap in Eason for Green the picks change, and if you swap in Whitmore or Amen they change even more.

I personally don’t think the Nets are going to move Bridges period, but aside from our differences in opinion on him and his value, for any chance of Brooklyn moving him, you’d have to wildly overpay anyway, so the point is moot.

But I don’t see him like Grant at all. I see Bridges as the wing version of prime Horford, or maybe better Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry when they were coming into their own a little later in their primes as a star role players.

This is like when people would look at prime Conley or Lowry and be like, yeah he’s good, but I’d sooner trade you one less first and ask for a better one back, or I’ll try and trade for Mo Williams or Ty Lawson much cheaper because nothing much separates them on paper and impact. Like ok if that’s how you feel, have at it lol.

Obviously this is all for fun and all subjective, but that’s how it feels to me when people try and devalue Bridges trade value and impact.

Like Brooklyn doesn’t want to trade him period, probably not even for Thompson, every pick of their’s returned and a separate future first, let alone less assets, or shipping a premium lottery ticket pick like the ‘29 Suns one back, so you go ahead and try and trade a couple of the Brooklyn picks for Grant instead and see how that works out, is what they’ll tell Houston’s FO.

Brooklyn for better or worse will probably improve to a play-in team at worst next season and blow all their assets and cap space on an available young star(s) by the ‘25-26 season, meaning those remaining picks are devalued anyway barring catastrophic injuries.

I personally prefer they blow it up now and finally try an organic rebuild, but that probably isn’t happening, and it certainly won’t for a paltry return of most of their picks, Green, and having to send the best on paper pick in the deal(‘29 PHO) back to the Rockets.

[Hoppy1]

Most would take Amen/Whitmore in the top 6 or so if we redrafted today, these guys aren’t throw ins.

Bridges isn’t a #1, he isn’t a #2, he isn’t an allstar caliber player. He’s a very good starter. These valuations of all the BKN picks, throwing in one or multiple of Jalen/Eason/Whitmore/Thompson are ridiculous

If Bridges valuation is that of a superstar, hard pass

Like I said, it all depends on how badly Houston wants Bridges. Bridges is not going to have a Jimmy Butler effect on Houston.
Are there better options, heck yes.

better options for what though? If it's just the Nets (4) picks (2 picks including this upcoming draft and 2 swaps) I doubt that returns a player as valuable as Bridges, all things considered (AS caliber and on a great contract).

That may be, but if Houston sent those same Brooklyn picks, kept the swaps, and salary to NOP for Ingram, that would be better than Bridges? Or same to Utah for Markkanen? Or even Charlotte for Miles Bridges (if he would resign)?

While I think Bridges has value, he is certainly not my top choice if I needed a SF. He would be in the top 7 or 8, but not top 3.