[WOJ] Daniel Gafford to Dallas (Richaun Holmes and picks)

[benultimate]

So if Luka bolts pre-28 and OKC become the furnished contender we expect, yikes.... that could add another decade of rejuvenation to what may already be the best team in the league.

[Dr Positivity]

I once came up with a theory that were teams rank in "total trade value" is a valuable way to judge where they're sitting, and OKC's is hilariously good. SGA is as valuable a single piece as it gets before you get to Chet, Jalen, Cason, Giddey, etc. and a million picks?

[jayjaysee]

So if Luka bolts pre-28 and OKC become the furnished contender we expect, yikes.... that could add another decade of rejuvenation to what may already be the best team in the league.

Presti has drafted well enough and made great trades to the point that he can do things like this.

They still very likely ending up with a lottery pick this season, probably two... And probably trade 1-2 of their 2025 firsts for picks in 2028-2030. I think it’s the best full rebuild I’ve ever seen, though that’s in part a paper trophy without a real trophy. Getting to stay very good for over a decade is pretty rare and good enough typically, especially without having to suffer through a long bottom out rebuild.

Somehow they are winner of the trade, but sort of lost since they should have traded for talent and cut Dallas out here.. It’s cool to continue the pipeline.

But Gafford would’ve played 24-28 minutes per game for them and helped win games. And is on a small enough contract that they’d have been able to keep him all three years..

[Devilanche]

So if Luka bolts pre-28 and OKC become the furnished contender we expect, yikes.... that could add another decade of rejuvenation to what may already be the best team in the league.

Presti has drafted well enough and made great trades to the point that he can do things like this.

They still very likely ending up with a lottery pick this season, probably two... And probably trade 1-2 of their 2025 firsts for picks in 2028-2030. I think it’s the best full rebuild I’ve ever seen, though that’s in part a paper trophy without a real trophy. Getting to stay very good for over a decade is pretty rare and good enough typically, especially without having to suffer through a long bottom out rebuild.

Somehow they are winner of the trade, but sort of lost since they should have traded for talent and cut Dallas out here.. It’s cool to continue the pipeline.

But Gafford would’ve played 24-28 minutes per game for them and helped win games. And is on a small enough contract that they’d have been able to keep him all three years..

I read your whole reply . And that last paragraph should have been the focus this deadline.

What help do we need right now today that could potentially help the core play 1 more round 1 more game in the playoffs ?
Gafford would have been a decent answer.

[balsamic_ducks]

So if Luka bolts pre-28 and OKC become the furnished contender we expect, yikes.... that could add another decade of rejuvenation to what may already be the best team in the league.

Presti has drafted well enough and made great trades to the point that he can do things like this.

They still very likely ending up with a lottery pick this season, probably two... And probably trade 1-2 of their 2025 firsts for picks in 2028-2030. I think it’s the best full rebuild I’ve ever seen, though that’s in part a paper trophy without a real trophy. Getting to stay very good for over a decade is pretty rare and good enough typically, especially without having to suffer through a long bottom out rebuild.

Somehow they are winner of the trade, but sort of lost since they should have traded for talent and cut Dallas out here.. It’s cool to continue the pipeline.

But Gafford would’ve played 24-28 minutes per game for them and helped win games. And is on a small enough contract that they’d have been able to keep him all three years..

I read your whole reply . And that last paragraph should have been the focus this deadline.

What help do we need right now today that could potentially help the core play 1 more round 1 more game in the playoffs ?
Gafford would have been a decent answer.

I agree. To me this is a little bit of presti getting high off his own supply. OKC is great right now. Why not take a low risk move like trading the 26th pick for Gafford, who can help them now? Instead they trade a tangible asset for a swap that may or may not convey 4 years from now. I understand taking the bet that Luka bolts but you’re a top 4 team in the league now. Title windows can close faster than you think

[zimpy27]

I once came up with a theory that were teams rank in "total trade value" is a valuable way to judge where they're sitting, and OKC's is hilariously good. SGA is as valuable a single piece as it gets before you get to Chet, Jalen, Cason, Giddey, etc. and a million picks?

Timing of when the assets mature is what really matters though.


A few assets maturing at once can get you a championship, a lot of assets maturing at different times may not

[Mavrelous]

I once came up with a theory that were teams rank in "total trade value" is a valuable way to judge where they're sitting, and OKC's is hilariously good. SGA is as valuable a single piece as it gets before you get to Chet, Jalen, Cason, Giddey, etc. and a million picks?

Timing of when the assets mature is what really matters though.


A few assets maturing at once can get you a championship, a lot of assets maturing at different times may not

Yep, which makes Presti's move brilliant.
He used his existing picks he will have to throw away anyway since he doesn't control them, to extend the period and improve the quality.
Used his worst 26 1st to improve his 27 1st
Used his worst 24 1st to extend protected control of DEN 1sts.
Used his 2nd worst 24 pick to improve his 28 1st.

He has 11 players under contract, massive cap space and 2 picks for next year, he will continue to give up low quality assets for high variance assets.

[tmorgan]

Why did Washington do this? The pick is going to be whatever, Holmes does nothing for them, they are young and going nowhere, why give up your best young C in this sort of deal?

I don't get it. Maybe Gafford was about to punch Poole in the face?

Pretty sure Washington has to trade the whole roster if “potential Poole face-punching” is the criteria.

He’s been insanely cocky since college. It’s likely what made him a first round pick in the first place. Confidence is not his issue.

[MasterIchiro]

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[Michaellam1987]

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initially hope they are CHA second round picks, that will make the trade better for DAL, but now the picks are from BOS/LAC seems dont have much value.

[Swish77]

Why did Washington do this? The pick is going to be whatever, Holmes does nothing for them, they are young and going nowhere, why give up your best young C in this sort of deal?

I don't get it. Maybe Gafford was about to punch Poole in the face?

Wiz do Wiz things. I dont feel we overpaid for Gafford he's a 25 year old center who protects the rim and can rebound. I'm in the boat of if the picks are late 20's Id rather trade them than have the pick. Yes our future is bad pick wise but Luka will be here until he retires if you want to win you gotta pay a price for it and if its 1st round picks I'm cool with it.

[Apz]

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initially hope they are CHA second round picks, that will make the trade better for DAL, but now the picks are from BOS/LAC seems dont have much value.

Doing everyrging they can to get me start scouting for the draft. Havent checked mavs roster for next season, maybe they try to combine them to move up

[jayjaysee]

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initially hope they are CHA second round picks, that will make the trade better for DAL, but now the picks are from BOS/LAC seems dont have much value.

We originally heard the 2nds were going to Washington as part of the value. But I haven’t seen confirmation on that lately.

The Gafford trade was good for Dallas with or without those seconds being flipped IMO.

[nate33]

Why did Washington do this? The pick is going to be whatever, Holmes does nothing for them, they are young and going nowhere, why give up your best young C in this sort of deal?

I don't get it. Maybe Gafford was about to punch Poole in the face?

Wiz do Wiz things. I dont feel we overpaid for Gafford he's a 25 year old center who protects the rim and can rebound. I'm in the boat of if the picks are late 20's Id rather trade them than have the pick. Yes our future is bad pick wise but Luka will be here until he retires if you want to win you gotta pay a price for it and if its 1st round picks I'm cool with it.

The Wizards did this because the acquisition of Bagley (who has played VERY well for them) made Gafford redundant.

Both Gafford and Bagley qualify as "sub-par starting center or a really good backup". A rebuilding team only needs one guy like that. The other center spot should be used to develop a center of the future.

The TLDR version is that there was virtually no chance that both Gafford and Bagley would be on the roster 2 years from now, so it made sense to trade one of them when their value was highest. Getting a FRP pick, even a late one, is pretty good value for a rim running backup center.

[Devilanche]

Why did Washington do this? The pick is going to be whatever, Holmes does nothing for them, they are young and going nowhere, why give up your best young C in this sort of deal?

I don't get it. Maybe Gafford was about to punch Poole in the face?

Wiz do Wiz things. I dont feel we overpaid for Gafford he's a 25 year old center who protects the rim and can rebound. I'm in the boat of if the picks are late 20's Id rather trade them than have the pick. Yes our future is bad pick wise but Luka will be here until he retires if you want to win you gotta pay a price for it and if its 1st round picks I'm cool with it.

The Wizards did this because the acquisition of Bagley (who has played VERY well for them) made Gafford redundant.

Both Gafford and Bagley qualify as "sub-par starting center or a really good backup". A rebuilding team only needs one guy like that. The other center spot should be used to develop a center of the future.

The TLDR version is that there was virtually no chance that both Gafford and Bagley would be on the roster 2 years from now, so it made sense to trade one of them when their value was highest. Getting a FRP pick, even a late one, is pretty good value for a rim running backup center.

But if bagley is someone you see on your roster next season , wouldn’t the future Dallas pick be more valuable ?

[nate33]

Wiz do Wiz things. I dont feel we overpaid for Gafford he's a 25 year old center who protects the rim and can rebound. I'm in the boat of if the picks are late 20's Id rather trade them than have the pick. Yes our future is bad pick wise but Luka will be here until he retires if you want to win you gotta pay a price for it and if its 1st round picks I'm cool with it.

The Wizards did this because the acquisition of Bagley (who has played VERY well for them) made Gafford redundant.

Both Gafford and Bagley qualify as "sub-par starting center or a really good backup". A rebuilding team only needs one guy like that. The other center spot should be used to develop a center of the future.

The TLDR version is that there was virtually no chance that both Gafford and Bagley would be on the roster 2 years from now, so it made sense to trade one of them when their value was highest. Getting a FRP pick, even a late one, is pretty good value for a rim running backup center.

But if bagley is someone you see on your roster next season , wouldn’t the future Dallas pick be more valuable ?

I don't understand the question.

[Devilanche]

The Wizards did this because the acquisition of Bagley (who has played VERY well for them) made Gafford redundant.

Both Gafford and Bagley qualify as "sub-par starting center or a really good backup". A rebuilding team only needs one guy like that. The other center spot should be used to develop a center of the future.

The TLDR version is that there was virtually no chance that both Gafford and Bagley would be on the roster 2 years from now, so it made sense to trade one of them when their value was highest. Getting a FRP pick, even a late one, is pretty good value for a rim running backup center.

But if bagley is someone you see on your roster next season , wouldn’t the future Dallas pick be more valuable ?

I don't understand the question.

Why did Washington take the late 2024 first over the 2028 first from Dallas ?


https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-trade-daniel-gafford-mavericks#

[nate33]

But if bagley is someone you see on your roster next season , wouldn’t the future Dallas pick be more valuable ?

I don't understand the question.

Why did Washington take the late 2024 first over the 2028 first from Dallas ?


https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-trade-daniel-gafford-mavericks#

Dallas wasn't offering their 2028 FRP. Dallas made a 2028 pick swap with OKC to acquire a 2024 FRP. They then sent that 2024 FRP to Washington.

It wouldn't make sense for Washington to prefer a 2028 pick swap instead of an actual tangible 2024 pick because in 2028, odds are, Dallas will be better than Washington anyway. The swap has value for OKC, but not really for Washington.