Pels/Sota

[lordjeff05]

Posted this in a different thread but it didn’t get much traction so I wanted to put it as it’s own thread.

Pels trade Trey Murphy and Larry Nance for Naz Reid

This trade kind of assumes that the Pelicans want to run it back again with BI and Z. Jonas has played well but we really need a floor spacer at the 5. Reid has played really well and shoots it at a clip where you have to respect him from 3.

For Minnesota they maintain their depth with a great backup big on a shorter contract and they get a floor spacer that allows them to play small. Trey would fit in well we the long term replacement for KAT at the 4 if the Wolves try and trade him to get off his salary.

[kds92]

Trey's got much more value than this. Don't like Reid's fit on the Pels next to Zion

[psman2]

I got Trey with likely twice the value of Naz.

[lordjeff05]

I don’t think people realize the potential a true stretch 5 provides Zion offensively. Trey is great and he likely has a higher upside than Naz but Naz would fit really really well next to Z on offense and he’s shown the ability to hold his own defensively.

[Wolveswin]

Reid is highly undervalued here. In fact, IMHO is Reid could replace 70-80% of Towns in a KAT trade.

But I still have Murphy > Reid.

And I don’t think Reid provides enough D next to Zion.

[shrink]

Reid is highly undervalued here. In fact, IMHO is Reid could replace 70-80% of Towns in a KAT trade.

But I still have Murphy > Reid.

And I don’t think Reid provides enough D next to Zion.

For the record, the defensive improvement of Naz Reid have been startling. He’s up to #36 in DWS, and #20 in DBPM.

Sure, playing next to all the other good defenders on the Wolves helps. Defense is a team event. But the amount of work Naz has put into his body to be able to play as a wing and switch should be applauded. The Wolves have even played minutes with Rudy, KAT and Naz on the floor simultaneously, which would have been unthinkable two years ago.

[ecuhus1981]

I think that the more intriguing trade between the Pelicans and Wolves is KAT for Zion.

[lordjeff05]

I think that the more intriguing trade between the Pelicans and Wolves is KAT for Zion.

The whole point is pairing Zion with a floor spacer. Either that is Reid in a Trey Murphy trade or KAT in a BI trade but that one move would open up so much for Zion.

[lordjeff05]

Also when it comes to stretch 5s, here’s the list of centers who have a higher 3 point rate…Lauri Markannen, that’s it that’s the list. And Naz is making them at 42 percent.

Not sure if the defense holds up in the playoffs but I’d trust it more than Zion at the 5 and Trey at the 4 which is the only way you could reasonably keep try long term if you’re aslo keeping Herb and bi

[Wolveswin]

I think that the more intriguing trade between the Pelicans and Wolves is KAT for Zion.

Zion doesn’t really help Wolves. Will he be more unhappy in MN than New Orleans? How does he fit with Gobert?

A 3rd team would be needed - an ideal Zion destination - who have what Wolves need.

To Pels: Towns + Micic or Martin

To Hornets: Zion + Pels Picks (or Herb or ?)

To Wolves: Miller + G. Williams

But I doubt Hornets are ready to think a Zion/Ball duo is ready enough to trade Miller for him. And I am not sure if Miller is win-now enough for Wolves. Promising yes, rookie contract yes.

[lordjeff05]

I think that the more intriguing trade between the Pelicans and Wolves is KAT for Zion.

Zion doesn’t really help Wolves. Will he be more unhappy in MN than New Orleans? How does he fit with Gobert?

A 3rd team would be needed - an ideal Zion destination - who have what Wolves need.

To Pels: Towns + Micic or Martin

To Hornets: Zion + Pels Picks (or Herb or ?)

To Wolves: Miller + G. Williams

But I doubt Hornets are ready to think a Zion/Ball duo is ready enough to trade Miller for him. And I am not sure if Miller is win-now enough for Wolves. Promising yes, rookie contract yes.

Yeah…KAT at the 5 has very little appeal unless you are playing him with a high usage 4 who doesn’t shoot 3s. Ps I think he’d be great next to Mobley.

Like if the Pels decide they are going with Ingram instead of Zion then they try and get a conventional 5 who can protect the rim and defend or they trade him for picks and prospects (or both).

The Pels play really well with Murphy slotted in the 4th spot in lieu of Zion and with either JV or Larry at the 4.

There are 3 options this summer as I see it. Option 1, stand pat with Zion and BI and leverage Murphy for a better fit at the 5 (the trade could be made during the season assuming the Pels resign JV).

Option 2, trade BI and get a floor spacing big. Bump Murphy in to the starting role.

Option 3, trade Zion for defensive big plus assets and again bump Murphy in to the starting role. I’m thinking something like Nick Richards and the Charlotte plus some other stuff.

[Frichuela]

I think that the more intriguing trade between the Pelicans and Wolves is KAT for Zion.

The whole point is pairing Zion with a floor spacer. Either that is Reid in a Trey Murphy trade or KAT in a BI trade but that one move would open up so much for Zion.

Agreed. Pairing Zion with another non 3pt shooting threat is not optimal...

[Sealab2024]

Timberwolves have no interest in playing a small lineup. Their entire team defense is based on size and length. Anything that works against that makes the wolves a weaker team overall even if the individual player is seen as an upgrade.

[Hoppy1]

I don’t think people realize the potential a true stretch 5 provides Zion offensively. Trey is great and he likely has a higher upside than Naz but Naz would fit really really well next to Z on offense and he’s shown the ability to hold his own defensively.

And in that vein, I would suggest Pelicans use Murphy or Jones to trade for a lesser player, say Toronto (GDick or McDaniels and the raps 24 FRP).
Or with the Grizzlies for LaRavia or Aldama and the Grizzlies FRP.
The onus is moving the glut of forwards and getting Filipowski. I am not a super Filipowski fan, but he is definitely the type of center many teams could use (and he is cheaper than the resign Murphy will request).

[lordjeff05]

Timberwolves have no interest in playing a small lineup. Their entire team defense is based on size and length. Anything that works against that makes the wolves a weaker team overall even if the individual player is seen as an upgrade.

Trey is like 6’10 now. It’s not a small ball lineup. It’s smaller than having KAT at the 4 but also way more mobile and switchable. That’s not a move that requires a change in scheme or identity.

[Sealab2024]

Timberwolves have no interest in playing a small lineup. Their entire team defense is based on size and length. Anything that works against that makes the wolves a weaker team overall even if the individual player is seen as an upgrade.

Trey is like 6’10 now. It’s not a small ball lineup. It’s smaller than having KAT at the 4 but also way more mobile and switchable. That’s not a move that requires a change in scheme or identity.

Trey is 6'8" and averages 3.5 rebounds in 30 minutes per night. He's not even an upgrade from Naz for the Wolves at this point in his career and he's certainly not someone you can plug into KATs spot as a second 7 footer and play the same defense. The moment you try that then Rudy actually will get pulled out to the perimeter with nobody there to man underneath.

I like Trey, but I hate the fit.

[ADMVP]

You smoking crack bro. Yall paying mad assets to get TMIII.