Chicago & Washington: How badly does WAS want off of Poole?

[penbeast0]

Poole and Kuzma for LaVine

Again, while LaVine might have neutral or possibly even positive value to someone around the league, it isn't Washington. We aren't going to contend by adding LaVine. By the time we are aiming to compete, Poole might have matured and learned enough to be positive, LaVine will just be older. Poole has even shown signs of competence when used in an appropriate role as instant offense off the bench since we FINALLY benched him. And LaVine is the bigger, ie. worse, contract.

Washington shouldn't make a LaVine for Poole swap even up. Adding Kuzma's descending contract, which should add ascending value given good health, just makes this idea worse.

[basketballwacko2]

I think that's a pretty fair example, with the exception of Edwards. On draft day, I'd have given Edwards a 50/50 shot at one day being an All-NBA caliber player. I don't think I'd say that about anyone in this draft.

If this draft is the 2020 draft minus Edwards, then I'd rather just have Avdija. In 2020, the next 5 guys were Wiseman, Ball, Williams, Okoro, and Okongwu. I'd take the next 4 years of Avdija over first 4 years of all 5 of those guys but Ball, and even with Ball, it's debatable because Ball misses 45% of his games.

There was a guy named Tyrese Haliburton in the 2020 draft too, #12. Great players sometimes slip to lower spots for little or no reason.

That's irrelevant. Every draft has a few superstars found much later than top 5, but you don't bank on being the team that actually finds those guys. If we are discussing trading Deni for a top 5 pick in 2024, the relevant comparison would be to look at the top 5-7 prospects in recent bad drafts, not a random late pick success story.

You said, "With the exception of Edwards..." I said there are great players picked in the later picks almost every draft. As for trading Deni, I'd say why would you? He's a team friendly contract and he's emerging as a very good player. The Wiz should just get ready to lose a lot of games the next couple seasons and take the best picks they can get.

[nate33]

There was a guy named Tyrese Haliburton in the 2020 draft too, #12. Great players sometimes slip to lower spots for little or no reason.

That's irrelevant. Every draft has a few superstars found much later than top 5, but you don't bank on being the team that actually finds those guys. If we are discussing trading Deni for a top 5 pick in 2024, the relevant comparison would be to look at the top 5-7 prospects in recent bad drafts, not a random late pick success story.

You said, "With the exception of Edwards..." I said there are great players picked in the later picks almost every draft. As for trading Deni, I'd say why would you? He's a team friendly contract and he's emerging as a very good player. The Wiz should just get ready to lose a lot of games the next couple seasons and take the best picks they can get.

We are arguing a very minor point that doesn't really matter. I'm saying that to evaluate whether a Deni for top 5 pick trade makes sense, I would look at previous weak drafts with projections that appeared similar to the projections for this draft class. Right now, I see nobody that's a particularly good bet to be an eventual All-NBA player among the top 6 of 7 guys in all the mocks. There probably will be a Giannis, SGA, Kawhi or Haliburton type guy found late, because there's usually one guy like that based on raw percentages (it's hard for EVERYBODY to be mediocre), but I don't think the odds of landing that guy are particularly high, even with a top 5 pick. So I consider this draft to be similar to the 2020 draft, except without Edwards (because Edwards was the one guy who had fairly obvious All-NBA upside). I'd rather have Avdija than a top 5 pick in the 2020 draft assuming there was no Edwards.

I agree with the rest of your point. Avdija is good, young, still improving, cheap, and locked into a long term deal through 2028. He is perfect for a rebuilding team. Why trade him?

[basketballwacko2]

That's irrelevant. Every draft has a few superstars found much later than top 5, but you don't bank on being the team that actually finds those guys. If we are discussing trading Deni for a top 5 pick in 2024, the relevant comparison would be to look at the top 5-7 prospects in recent bad drafts, not a random late pick success story.

You said, "With the exception of Edwards..." I said there are great players picked in the later picks almost every draft. As for trading Deni, I'd say why would you? He's a team friendly contract and he's emerging as a very good player. The Wiz should just get ready to lose a lot of games the next couple seasons and take the best picks they can get.

We are arguing a very minor point that doesn't really matter. I'm saying that to evaluate whether a Deni for top 5 pick trade makes sense, I would look at previous weak drafts with projections that appeared similar to the projections for this draft class. Right now, I see nobody that's a particularly good bet to be an eventual All-NBA player among the top 6 of 7 guys in all the mocks. There probably will be a Giannis, SGA, Kawhi or Haliburton type guy found late, because there's usually one guy like that based on raw percentages (it's hard for EVERYBODY to be mediocre), but I don't think the odds of landing that guy are particularly high, even with a top 5 pick. So I consider this draft to be similar to the 2020 draft, except without Edwards (because Edwards was the one guy who had fairly obvious All-NBA upside). I'd rather have Avdija than a top 5 pick in the 2020 draft assuming there was no Edwards.

I agree with the rest of your point. Avdija is good, young, still improving, and cheap. He is perfect for a rebuilding team. Why trade him?

I wasn't really "arguing" with you.