Towns and Reaves to Cavs | Mitchell to Lakers

[DowJones]

I think if Mitchell makes a list of LA, Brooklyn, Miami (seems realistic?) the OP (with LAL’s 2024 first) is a competitive offer for the expiring star. I think Brooklyn would beat it, and Miami might.. But I think it’s a respectable enough offer to not be insulting..

The problem is IMO if you’re trading Mitchell, you’re back to building around Garland/Mobley. So you’re not doing the Minnesota part. I do think Mobley has more value than KAT. But could understand the other argument. Just one is a year and a half younger than Garland and one is 4 years older. And one is on a 35% four year max and the other will likely be limited to a 4-5 year 25% max after finishing his rookie contract in 12 months.

For a team trading a top 15 player in Mitchell, you’re probably really leaning towards the younger/cheaper/controlled player.

A maybe terrible idea would be if Mitchell goes out, maybe it’s Allen/Mitchell for KAT/??? need a different set of teams to make that work. But KAT/Mobley feel like a more natural fit than Allen/KAT. And you don’t lose your cornerstones of Mobley/Garland..

People are overrating the real life value of the Lakers picks being offered, generally, and to the Cavs, specifically. If the Cavs are forced into resetting around Garland and Mobley, then picks that don't even convey until they're coming off their second contracts aren't going to hold much appeal. That's before you get into the fact that they're the Lakers and no one knows what their roster will look like five years from now.

Also, while Reaves is a good role player, he did get moved to bench for defensive reasons this season. The last thing you want is to do is assemble a late lottery team around Garland and Mobley and create a situation where they ask out in a year or two.

At some point you need to accept a trade though. The easiest..and boy is it easy..thing to do is to poke holes in proposed trades based on a hypothetical (Mitchell declining to extend) and not proposing realistic alternatives.

I would never trade Mitchell for a package like this assuming he wanted to stay. What will happen, if he were to decline the extension, is that we will have to make a trade. IMO, Reaves/Rui/2027/2029/2031 1st round picks is a decent return. I will say that I am high on Rui and Reaves. Reaves is what he is and that is a very nice player on a reasonable contract. I really like Rui and I think he has upside. Rui is only 26 and Reaves is still 25. I think those 2 could grow with Mobley/Garland/Allen to give the Cavs a really competitive team over the next 3 years while we pay off some of that Utah debt. Then, once 3 years are up, we have can see what kind of team we have and we would have all those Laker picks plus our own to put in a trade package to upgrade.

I think the key point to remember is that a trade of some kind would need to happen under this hypothetical, and any reasonable proposal can have holes poked through it.

[jbk1234]

I think if Mitchell makes a list of LA, Brooklyn, Miami (seems realistic?) the OP (with LAL’s 2024 first) is a competitive offer for the expiring star. I think Brooklyn would beat it, and Miami might.. But I think it’s a respectable enough offer to not be insulting..

The problem is IMO if you’re trading Mitchell, you’re back to building around Garland/Mobley. So you’re not doing the Minnesota part. I do think Mobley has more value than KAT. But could understand the other argument. Just one is a year and a half younger than Garland and one is 4 years older. And one is on a 35% four year max and the other will likely be limited to a 4-5 year 25% max after finishing his rookie contract in 12 months.

For a team trading a top 15 player in Mitchell, you’re probably really leaning towards the younger/cheaper/controlled player.

A maybe terrible idea would be if Mitchell goes out, maybe it’s Allen/Mitchell for KAT/??? need a different set of teams to make that work. But KAT/Mobley feel like a more natural fit than Allen/KAT. And you don’t lose your cornerstones of Mobley/Garland..

People are overrating the real life value of the Lakers picks being offered, generally, and to the Cavs, specifically. If the Cavs are forced into resetting around Garland and Mobley, then picks that don't even convey until they're coming off their second contracts aren't going to hold much appeal. That's before you get into the fact that they're the Lakers and no one knows what their roster will look like five years from now.

Also, while Reaves is a good role player, he did get moved to bench for defensive reasons this season. The last thing you want is to do is assemble a late lottery team around Garland and Mobley and create a situation where they ask out in a year or two.

At some point you need to accept a trade though. The easiest..and boy is it easy..thing to do is to poke holes in proposed trades based on a hypothetical (Mitchell declining to extend) and not proposing realistic alternatives.

I would never trade Mitchell for a package like this assuming he wanted to stay. What will happen, if he were to decline the extension, is that we will have to make a trade. IMO, Reaves/Rui/2027/2029/2031 1st round picks is a decent return. I will say that I am high on Rui and Reaves. Reaves is what he is and that is a very nice player on a reasonable contract. I really like Rui and I think he has upside. Rui is only 26 and Reaves is still 25. I think those 2 could grow with Mobley/Garland/Allen to give the Cavs a really competitive team over the next 3 years while we pay off some of that Utah debt. Then, once 3 years are up, we have can see what kind of team we have and we would have all those Laker picks plus our own to put in a trade package to upgrade.

I think the key point to remember is that a trade of some kind would need to happen under this hypothetical, and any reasonable proposal can have holes poked through it.

Suffice to say you're much, much higher on both Rui and Reaves than I. I'd probably run it back, hope that our starters are able to play more than 10% of regular season games together, and look to change Mitchell's mind if this was the best offer (it won't be).

LeVert and Wade both drop off the books in 2025, so if Mitchell just walks (and depending on where he wants to go that may not be an option), the Cavs will have room to play with before Mobley signs a new deal. But really, the prospect of paying all of Rui/Wade/Niang/LeVert/Reaves to fill similar roles and be a first round out isn't that appealing.

Now maybe some of those guys could be packaged with the Lakers mystery box of distant picks to bring back something better, but I'd put the onus on the Lakers to make that happen because I'm pretty skeptical.

[DowJones]

People are overrating the real life value of the Lakers picks being offered, generally, and to the Cavs, specifically. If the Cavs are forced into resetting around Garland and Mobley, then picks that don't even convey until they're coming off their second contracts aren't going to hold much appeal. That's before you get into the fact that they're the Lakers and no one knows what their roster will look like five years from now.

Also, while Reaves is a good role player, he did get moved to bench for defensive reasons this season. The last thing you want is to do is assemble a late lottery team around Garland and Mobley and create a situation where they ask out in a year or two.

At some point you need to accept a trade though. The easiest..and boy is it easy..thing to do is to poke holes in proposed trades based on a hypothetical (Mitchell declining to extend) and not proposing realistic alternatives.

I would never trade Mitchell for a package like this assuming he wanted to stay. What will happen, if he were to decline the extension, is that we will have to make a trade. IMO, Reaves/Rui/2027/2029/2031 1st round picks is a decent return. I will say that I am high on Rui and Reaves. Reaves is what he is and that is a very nice player on a reasonable contract. I really like Rui and I think he has upside. Rui is only 26 and Reaves is still 25. I think those 2 could grow with Mobley/Garland/Allen to give the Cavs a really competitive team over the next 3 years while we pay off some of that Utah debt. Then, once 3 years are up, we have can see what kind of team we have and we would have all those Laker picks plus our own to put in a trade package to upgrade.

I think the key point to remember is that a trade of some kind would need to happen under this hypothetical, and any reasonable proposal can have holes poked through it.

Suffice to say you're much, much higher on both Rui and Reaves than I. I'd probably run it back, hope that our starters are able to play more than 10% of regular season games together, and look to change Mitchell's mind if this was the best offer (it won't be).

LeVert and Wade both drop off the books in 2025, so if Mitchell just walks (and depending on where he wants to go that may not be an option), the Cavs will have room to play with before Mobley signs a new deal. But really, the prospect of paying all of Rui/Wade/Niang/LeVert/Reaves to fill similar roles and be a first round out isn't that appealing.

Now maybe some of those guys could be packaged with the Lakers mystery box of distant picks to bring back something better, but I'd put the onus on the Lakers to make that happen because I'm pretty skeptical.

Letting Mitchell play his final season in Cleveland out is risky, but it is an option if the deals for Donovan are really low. It is a massive risk though. I know you said that playing the free agent game is a possibility, but the Cavs aren't a free agent destination and when you look at the bigger money contracts this franchise has offered to free agents you will see that the ROI is terrible.

Can you please elaborate on the type of trade package you are looking for with specific teams/players?

[nzahir]

The Lakers aren't sending nearly enough.

I think we are sending more than enough here

With how Rui is playing, Idk if I even want to move him honestly. Unless there is some other forward out there we are getting in FA or another trade

Reaves, Vincent/Vando, JHS, Christie?, 24 1st, 29 1st, 31 1st, 26 swap. 28 swap, 2030 swap

I dont see why NY should go after Mitchell. They should focus on Bridges and Markennan. Look at KAT, Zion, or Booker if those guys become available as well ofc

I can see BKN, but whats that roster doing? Nothing really

Miami makes sense, but they seemingly never overpay

[Myth]

I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

As somebody impartial to the teams, I without hesitation take the 22 year old who was a top 3 DPOY candidate as a sophomore on a rookie deal.

[Snakebites]

Towns doesn't make sense for Cleveland, but I think he's continually underestimated here. I think he'd (rightly) fetch a big return from a team needing a reliable #1 or 2 offensive option; those don't grow on trees.

Towns is good.

I just don’t get why they’d move out Mitchell for a package like that then in the same breath trade Mobley for him.

It feels like they’re making two fundamentally opposed deals with this one trade.

[zimpy27]

Mitchell+LeVert for LeBron+Reaves swap might be an interesting way the Lakers get Mitchell.

[Wolveswin]

I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

As somebody impartial to the teams, I without hesitation take the 22 year old who was a top 3 DPOY candidate as a sophomore on a rookie deal.

Mmmm k. Have an opinion. But search top DPOY odds and Mobley isn’t in top 6 in Vegas. Let me know where you find his rank.

[Myth]

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

As somebody impartial to the teams, I without hesitation take the 22 year old who was a top 3 DPOY candidate as a sophomore on a rookie deal.

Mmmm k. Have an opinion. But search top DPOY odds and Mobley isn’t in top 6 in Vegas. Let me know where you find his rank.

Yeah, he missed too many games to qualify, just as KAT would have several times in his career for awards. But having a top 3 DPOY finish so early in his career shows the capability he has. He is one of the best defenders in the league and has a chance to get even better. I'm not trying to criticize KAT, but the trade value at this points in their career is highly tilted in Mobley's favor.

[DowJones]

The Lakers aren't sending nearly enough.

I think we are sending more than enough here

With how Rui is playing, Idk if I even want to move him honestly. Unless there is some other forward out there we are getting in FA or another trade

Reaves, Vincent/Vando, JHS, Christie?, 24 1st, 29 1st, 31 1st, 26 swap. 28 swap, 2030 swap

I dont see why NY should go after Mitchell. They should focus on Bridges and Markennan. Look at KAT, Zion, or Booker if those guys become available as well ofc

I can see BKN, but whats that roster doing? Nothing really

Miami makes sense, but they seemingly never overpay

This package boils down to Reaves and some first rounders and I imagine Brooklyn easily beats this. For me, Rui would have to be in the deal.

[JRoy]

I have mobley worth more than Towns. Minny stealing value here.

I think if push comes to shove Cavs just take the Lakers offer and cut out Wolves

That is interesting. If Towns comes back and plays well in playoffs - I have him and Mobley as equal value. Both have warts, plus and minus, but Towns is a proven All NBA caliber talent. Each team will like their guy of course.

As somebody impartial to the teams, I without hesitation take the 22 year old who was a top 3 DPOY candidate as a sophomore on a rookie deal.

I’d love to trade for Mobley.

[DowJones]

Mitchell+LeVert for LeBron+Reaves swap might be an interesting way the Lakers get Mitchell.

Oh God no. Then we would have to draft Bronny. Toss in 2 unprotected first round picks in 2029 and 2031 and maybe that’s in play.