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Re: Sacramento Simons 

Post#21 » by tester551 » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:45 pm

bpcox05 wrote:To your point about already having two Top 15 picks this year, you also have an early 2nd this year so it’s not like this trade adds another rookie to the mix. You’re just swapping one of those rookies for a better rookie.

The issue you are not considering for Portland is roster spots & veteran leadership.

With a 2nd round pick, Portland can use that player on a 2-way contract and keep one extra vet on the main active roster.

If Portland gets ANOTHER 1st, then you have to make room for them - and the team gets even younger.

Value wise, it's fine... But I wouldn't do the trade. The cost/benefit just isn't there.
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Re: Sacramento Simons 

Post#22 » by JasonStern » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:32 pm

I'd be fine with a 2014 Sacramento 1st for Grant if the pick isn't conveyed to Atlanta. Package that with the Golden State pick and try to move up in the draft. Grant is really being wasted as a second option on a team that has years left rebuilding.
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Re: Sacramento Simons 

Post#23 » by mg » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:38 pm

JasonStern wrote:Simons is underrated. Two mid to late 1sts is a fair price, especially if Thybulle is included.

That said, I don't get the fit for Sacramento. Grant would be a better piece to target in a Portland-Sacramento trade.


Simons is very good, at least offensively, but his position is totally saturated. We got several more smallish scoring guards in this next draft not to mention several scoring guards that will also be available in FA. Kings already got Monk off the scrap heap, he's good but it won't be that difficult to replace him if he leaves in FA.

Jeremy Grant and John Collins are the types Kings should be targeting depending on the cost. If Kings can get Grant for a middling '24 draft pick+salary filler that would be great. Otherwise they can probably just send the same filler +SRP to Utah for Collins.
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Re: Sacramento Simons 

Post#24 » by bpcox05 » Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:04 pm

tester551 wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:To your point about already having two Top 15 picks this year, you also have an early 2nd this year so it’s not like this trade adds another rookie to the mix. You’re just swapping one of those rookies for a better rookie.

The issue you are not considering for Portland is roster spots & veteran leadership.

With a 2nd round pick, Portland can use that player on a 2-way contract and keep one extra vet on the main active roster.

If Portland gets ANOTHER 1st, then you have to make room for them - and the team gets even younger.

Value wise, it's fine... But I wouldn't do the trade. The cost/benefit just isn't there.

I don’t think teams typically put their early 2nd round picks on two-way contracts.

As for the roster spots, this trade is occurring in the offseason so it allows the Blazers to make other moves to consolidate. The Blazers would likely make Brogdon, Simons, Huerter, Thybulle, Barnes, R. Williams, and/or Ayton available if the price is right thus freeing up more roster spots. I wouldn’t get rid of all of them obviously. I think keeping a guy like Barnes around would be really good for the young guys (and you probably wouldn’t get a ton of value in return anyway). He really helped show our young Kings how to be professionals.

Another option would be to consolidate the picks in an effort to trade up.
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Re: Sacramento Simons 

Post#25 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:10 pm

This ideally would be a draft day deal where a 3rd team sends PDX a pick in the 7-9 range for the GSW and SAC FRP (Likely both in the 12-15 range) - alleviating the roster crunch and allowing us to target 2 forwards high in this draft (IE Matas + Cody or something similar).
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Re: Sacramento Simons 

Post#26 » by jayu70 » Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:18 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Jerami Grant for Harrison Barnes + 2026 FRP (IDK on protections) + 2025 PDX SRP?

If the Kings miss the playoffs this year…

Jerami Grant
2024 CHA 2nd

For

Harrison Barnes
Kevin Huerter
2024 SAC 1st (#13 or #14)


I would rather get a future FRP - we already have 2 likely Top-15 picks in this draft.

Jerami Grant

For

Harrison Barnes
Chris Duarte
2026 SAC FRP (LP / Top-8 / Top-6 / 2 SRP)
2025 PDX SRP

Ideally w/ Duarte routed to a 3rd team as we would have little room for him in our crowded G rotation.

SAC ends up w/ -

G - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell / KJ Simpson (SAC SRP)
G - Keon Ellis / Kevin Huerter / MLE (Trent JR / Beasley / etc)
F - Keegan Murray / MLE (Trent JR / Beasley / etc) / Colby Jones
F - Jerami Grant / Trey Lyles / Sasha Vezenkov
C - Domatas Sabonis / Kyle Filipowski (SAC FRP) / Alex Len

Ideally you can play Kyle w/ Domatas at times due to floor spacing.
Atlanta is currently owed the Sac 1st for the next 3 years (2024 top 14, 2025 top 10, 2026 top 8).
If the Sac does make the playoffs and keep the pick

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