Sacramento - Dallas - Toronto

Godaddycurse · Post #1 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:31 am

Sacramento trade: Barnes, Mitchell, Duarte
Sacramento receive: Maxi, Brown

Dallas trade: Maxi, THJ, TOR 2025 2nd
Dallas receive: Barnes, Duarte

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: THJ, Mitchell, TOR 2025 2nd

Why for Sacramento: Upgrade their D
Why for Dallas: upgrade backup 3/4
Why for Toronto: get a decent 2nd and expirings for Brown

LightTheBeam · Post #2 » by **LightTheBeam** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:10 am

Don't really want Maxi, but I don't hate this.

Could still use Huerter + 2024 1st to find an upgrade 4 at the draft.

I'd do it.

daoneandonly · Post #3 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:14 am

Seems like the biggest end game here is Tor getting their 2nd back. I'm a rare Barnes fan, but Dallas is trading 2 key rotational guys and a nice pick for essentially one player. The shine on Duarte is all but gone

Godaddycurse · Post #4 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:20 am

daoneandonly wrote:Seems like the biggest end game here is Tor getting their 2nd back. I'm a rare Barnes fan, but Dallas is trading 2 key rotational guys and a nice pick for essentially one player. The shine on Duarte is all but gone

Ya i consider barnes an upgrade over the 2 guys being sent out. The 2nd is the cost of said upgrade.

Toronto is getting a 2nd for taking back worse players totalling same amount of money.

daoneandonly · Post #5 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:23 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Seems like the biggest end game here is Tor getting their 2nd back. I'm a rare Barnes fan, but Dallas is trading 2 key rotational guys and a nice pick for essentially one player. The shine on Duarte is all but gone

Ya i consider barnes an upgrade over the 2 guys being sent out. The 2nd is the cost of said upgrade

Barnes is better than each serve. But inaccurate to say he's better than both combined. Tor isn't getting a high pick, Davion, and an expiring for Brown. Just don't pick up the option

BeiBeau · Post #6 » by **BeiBeau** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:17 am

Pretty hard pass from Dallas. Toronto sucks and that 2nd will be nice, Dallas is taking on the worst money, and Barnes is being overrated by several on this board.

jayjaysee · Post #7 » by **jayjaysee** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:49 pm

I don’t have Mitchell as a valuable piece, but I’d say Dallas should end up with him here and not Toronto if he is worth anything. Seems like it could be legal, maybe make Toronto take Powell and go find a vet min center to replace him if salary calls for it.. It wouldn’t be bad for Dallas to get Mitchell/Duarte RFA rights just in case, though they are already already 26/27 next season..

I think the OP is close for all three teams.

THJ at 16 versus Brown at 23, I really feel like THJ is the less negative player, trying to the remove any of my bias. Which is why Brown will be let go. Why would Toronto create a negative asset when they can create cap space and use that instead.. Brown would be kept by over the cap teams who have no chance of adding talent and don’t want to risk letting him hit free agency, sure.. But cap space is more valuable than Brown.

Post #8 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:54 pm

I see no issues with the value in the OP, really, but hate giving up Kleber in the deal when he's not valued. Not sure this couldn't be simplified to Barnes to Dallas, Brown to Sacramento, THJ/2nd to Toronto. If Toronto has interest in Mitchell, the 2nd can go to the Kings and they can still get him.

Godaddycurse · Post #9 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:58 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I see no issues with the value in the OP, really, but hate giving up Kleber in the deal when he's not valued. Not sure this couldn't be simplified to Barnes to Dallas, Brown to Sacramento, THJ/2nd to Toronto. If Toronto has interest in Mitchell, the 2nd can go to the Kings and they can still get him.

i figure kleber and barnes are a bit redundant/would play the same minutes behind PJ, whereas kings could use a better defensive PF off the bench. Davion is purely salary filler since THJ/2nd alone for Brown is too much incoming salary for the mavs i think (would interfere with them retaining exum/DJJ i think?)

Post #10 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:04 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I see no issues with the value in the OP, really, but hate giving up Kleber in the deal when he's not valued. Not sure this couldn't be simplified to Barnes to Dallas, Brown to Sacramento, THJ/2nd to Toronto. If Toronto has interest in Mitchell, the 2nd can go to the Kings and they can still get him.

i figure kleber and barnes are a bit redundant/would play the same minutes behind PJ, whereas kings could use a better defensive PF off the bench. Davion is purely salary filler since THJ/2nd alone for Brown is too much incoming salary for the mavs i think (would interfere with them retaining exum/DJJ i think?)

Kleber still has an important role as a 3rd center when Dallas wants to play small. Plus after trading for Barnes, DJJ probably becomes a casualty and PJ/Barnes eat some minutes at SF opening up more PF for Maxi.

Since he got back from injury he's been really good. His shot's even coming around though I don't trust that. Even counting him as a zero or worse offensively, his defense is so good and so important. Just very few guys in the league who offer what he does in terms of switching onto perimeter guys and protecting the rim and he's probably the best vertical shot contestor in the league right now.

So again if its just giving him away, no reason for Dallas to do so.