Cavs - Nets

[vincecarter4pres]

If they prefer not to suck hard the season before their big recruiting summer, YES! Watching fans of teams who are currently sorry nit pick a really, really good young player is remarkable. I've got Spurs fans telling me they can just draft a PG at 8 to fill their needs as if that how it works. A team's needs have zero impact on a prospect's capabilities or ceiling. That player either has it, or not.

If this board's sentiment is reflective of real life, and I'm very skeptical it is based on the reporting, the Cavs need to bring him back after he's put back on the weight he lost when his jaw was wired shut, and wait for the phone to ring when some of these there's no-rush teams have lost 10 of their last 12 on the first two months of the season.

If sucking next year is how the Nets win the first NBA Championship ever than I am willing to accept that price.

I did not criticize the player.

I expressed concerns about how the player would fit the Nets plans and salary cap situation.

Just because I am not sure that Garland the answer to all of the Nets problems does not mean that I do not like the player.

The problem is that sucking hard is great if your plan is to draft guys. But it's a very unattractive look to prospective FA's. The elite guys really want a team that's shown competence.

Meh.

Market, ability to team up with another hand picked star buddy as a duo, remaining assets to trade for a third banana, and some remaining good role guys is a lot more important to star FA’s then a feel good story of how the team clawed their way to a 36 win play-in tourney season the year prior.

[drchaos]

If they prefer not to suck hard the season before their big recruiting summer, YES! Watching fans of teams who are currently sorry nit pick a really, really good young player is remarkable. I've got Spurs fans telling me they can just draft a PG at 8 to fill their needs as if that how it works. A team's needs have zero impact on a prospect's capabilities or ceiling. That player either has it, or not.

If this board's sentiment is reflective of real life, and I'm very skeptical it is based on the reporting, the Cavs need to bring him back after he's put back on the weight he lost when his jaw was wired shut, and wait for the phone to ring when some of these there's no-rush teams have lost 10 of their last 12 on the first two months of the season.

If sucking next year is how the Nets win the first NBA Championship ever than I am willing to accept that price.

I did not criticize the player.

I expressed concerns about how the player would fit the Nets plans and salary cap situation.

Just because I am not sure that Garland the answer to all of the Nets problems does not mean that I do not like the player.

The problem is that sucking hard is great if your plan is to draft guys. But it's a very unattractive look to prospective FA's. The elite guys really want a team that's shown competence.

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

[mcfly1204]

If sucking next year is how the Nets win the first NBA Championship ever than I am willing to accept that price.

I did not criticize the player.

I expressed concerns about how the player would fit the Nets plans and salary cap situation.

Just because I am not sure that Garland the answer to all of the Nets problems does not mean that I do not like the player.

The problem is that sucking hard is great if your plan is to draft guys. But it's a very unattractive look to prospective FA's. The elite guys really want a team that's shown competence.

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

[drchaos]

The problem is that sucking hard is great if your plan is to draft guys. But it's a very unattractive look to prospective FA's. The elite guys really want a team that's shown competence.

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Take a look at the Nets roster.

Take a look at the Nets cap situation.

Take a look at the nets draft capital.

Now tell me that giving up picks to put Garland on the roster solves these problems?

Having the patience to shoot for a free agent next Summer is the only sane choice for this team.

Sure they could swing and miss but they have to try.

[toooskies]

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Take a look at the Nets roster.

Take a look at the Nets cap situation.

Take a look at the nets draft capital.

Now tell me that giving up picks to put Garland on the roster solves these problems?

Having the patience to shoot for a free agent next Summer is the only sane choice for this team.

Sure they could swing and miss but they have to try.

Do any of the free agents in 2025 look like guys who can legitimately move the needle on contending? (You could argue Mitchell, but in the scenario where the Cavs trade Garland, Mitchell's already extended with the Cavs.)

[drchaos]

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Take a look at the Nets roster.

Take a look at the Nets cap situation.

Take a look at the nets draft capital.

Now tell me that giving up picks to put Garland on the roster solves these problems?

Having the patience to shoot for a free agent next Summer is the only sane choice for this team.

Sure they could swing and miss but they have to try.

Do any of the free agents in 2025 look like guys who can legitimately move the needle on contending? (You could argue Mitchell, but in the scenario where the Cavs trade Garland, Mitchell's already extended with the Cavs.)

This is part of the reason why the Nets won't help Cleveland here.

[toooskies]

Take a look at the Nets roster.

Take a look at the Nets cap situation.

Take a look at the nets draft capital.

Now tell me that giving up picks to put Garland on the roster solves these problems?

Having the patience to shoot for a free agent next Summer is the only sane choice for this team.

Sure they could swing and miss but they have to try.

Do any of the free agents in 2025 look like guys who can legitimately move the needle on contending? (You could argue Mitchell, but in the scenario where the Cavs trade Garland, Mitchell's already extended with the Cavs.)

This is part of the reason why the Nets won't help Cleveland here.

This isn't a case of the Nets "helping" the Cavs. After Mitchell extends there's no reason for the Nets to antagonize the Cavs, and Garland's only getting traded after Mitchell extends.

[vincecarter4pres]

The problem is that sucking hard is great if your plan is to draft guys. But it's a very unattractive look to prospective FA's. The elite guys really want a team that's shown competence.

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

[mcfly1204]

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

Gotcha, that helps to explain all of your success this century... (it's a joke)

[toooskies]

If you have a high draft pick (from sucking hard), cap space to sign a max free agent (also from sucking hard), a hoard of future draft picks to build around (sucking hard for delayed gratification, and a core of good young players (Whitehead, Clowney, Cam Thomas, Bridges, Claxton, etc.) free agents will understand what your plan is.

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

The question remains-- if Mitchell isn't a free agent, do you think you get Jayson Tatum to leave Boston or Brunson to switch teams? Do you think Jamal Murray or Brandon Ingram or Lauri Markkanen are any more than a captain of an also-ran team as the main star? Do you hope LeBron or Jimmy Butler have a last hurrah to give somewhere new?

I mean, I just don't see how you build a contender from patience and the FA class. You might add a valuable piece, but there's no looming super-team like KD and Kyrie coming to form up in 2025.

[drchaos]

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

The question remains-- if Mitchell isn't a free agent, do you think you get Jayson Tatum to leave Boston or Brunson to switch teams? Do you think Jamal Murray or Brandon Ingram or Lauri Markkanen are any more than a captain of an also-ran team as the main star? Do you hope LeBron or Jimmy Butler have a last hurrah to give somewhere new?

I mean, I just don't see how you build a contender from patience and the FA class. You might add a valuable piece, but there's no looming super-team like KD and Kyrie coming to form up in 2025.

The Nets are in a bad position and need to thread the needle.

They can not tank as Houston is a good young team and owns a pick swap in next year's draft.

They can not expect to contend this year even if they did trade for Mitchell while keeping Bridges.

The path for the Nets is simple.

1. Resign Claxton within reason
2. Do not give up Bridges or draft picks unless something great is coming back
3. If a deal involving Bridges is on the table with a team other than the Rockets, get that pick swap back before pulling the trigger
4. All three players over 30 (Johnson, DFS, and Schroeder) will help the team win games this year and have value but should be moved for draft picks, younger players, and draft picks if the value makes sense.

Adding cap space for 2025 and draft picks should be the biggest priorities for the Nets right now.

Trying to make a big swing this year would be a mistake.

[vincecarter4pres]

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

Gotcha, that helps to explain all of your success this century... (it's a joke)

What I’m saying is, we don’t have a teams with ample cap space in NYC(or other major markets)every year, and recently every year there have been, the Knicks and Nets(and Lakers, Clippers, Mavs, Warriors, etc.) have made major free agent signings.

Yes, not much success by either team this century though lol.

[vincecarter4pres]

*You hope free agents will understand.

We have teams with ample cap space, a plethora of picks, and "good" young cores almost every year.

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

The question remains-- if Mitchell isn't a free agent, do you think you get Jayson Tatum to leave Boston or Brunson to switch teams? Do you think Jamal Murray or Brandon Ingram or Lauri Markkanen are any more than a captain of an also-ran team as the main star? Do you hope LeBron or Jimmy Butler have a last hurrah to give somewhere new?

I mean, I just don't see how you build a contender from patience and the FA class. You might add a valuable piece, but there's no looming super-team like KD and Kyrie coming to form up in 2025.

I think I’ve got my thoughts lost in translation a little here. I’m not of the opinion the best route for the Nets specifically is FA in ‘25, I’m more just replying to the concept of it and how’s it gone for major market teams the past decade in free agency.

Also just saying that if Garland is available this summer, it doesn’t mean the Nets need to break the bank to get him, or diverge from the bigger long term plan, just because they direly need a talent injection and young lead playmaker.

But Garland might actually be the non-Mitchell plan tbh, and if you wind up with a relatively clean cap post trade sans Garland, Claxton and Bridges, they’d technically be in good shape and an appealing destination for a trade demand candidate moving forward.

[toooskies]

Not in NYC we don’t.

Brooklyn is a free agent destination. Whether that equates to good results or not, it is what it is.

The question remains-- if Mitchell isn't a free agent, do you think you get Jayson Tatum to leave Boston or Brunson to switch teams? Do you think Jamal Murray or Brandon Ingram or Lauri Markkanen are any more than a captain of an also-ran team as the main star? Do you hope LeBron or Jimmy Butler have a last hurrah to give somewhere new?

I mean, I just don't see how you build a contender from patience and the FA class. You might add a valuable piece, but there's no looming super-team like KD and Kyrie coming to form up in 2025.

The Nets are in a bad position and need to thread the needle.

They can not tank as Houston is a good young team and owns a pick swap in next year's draft.

They can not expect to contend this year even if they did trade for Mitchell while keeping Bridges.

The path for the Nets is simple.

1. Resign Claxton within reason
2. Do not give up Bridges or draft picks unless something great is coming back
3. If a deal involving Bridges is on the table with a team other than the Rockets, get that pick swap back before pulling the trigger
4. All three players over 30 (Johnson, DFS, and Schroeder) will help the team win games this year and have value but should be moved for draft picks, younger players, and draft picks if the value makes sense.

Adding cap space for 2025 and draft picks should be the biggest priorities for the Nets right now.

Trying to make a big swing this year would be a mistake.

I feel like all of that is just treadmilling until you can actually bottom out, but I guess it worked for the Knicks when Brunson turned out to be a superstar.