UTA-DET-SAS

[wemby]

You quoted someone who you disagree with and said the opposite but didn’t say anything about it…

Spurs should want to be included because they should value an elite defender. Sochan isn’t really in the OP? Sochan and Thompson can be your starting forwards as long as they both work on their range just a bit. Or either one gets respectable at least.

Utah would keep the superior prospect. They have enough mystery bag picks. Start Hendricks/Thompson and see if either develop during a two year rebuild.

I provided reasons why the Spurs are included in this deal, and none of which are actually to benefit them.
Ausar on the Spurs makes ZERO sense, the Spurs already have a former no. 9 pick in Sochan which provides a lot of the same he does (elite defense) while exhibiitng a lot of the same flaws (awful shooting, but much better than Ausar). So the Spurs get a player they don't need, only to help the Pistons get a player that the Spurs actually would have used in Markkanen, when they could just as easily beat the Pistons offer by adding no. 4 themselves. To be clear, I don't think Markkanen goes for this price, but if he did, it's the Pistons who get cut out, not the Spurs.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I feel like Utah should just cut out SAS? A two year tank isn’t terrible to live through and Utah would be set up perfectly to try to make play-in in 2027 led by young talent when the LAL pick conveys and you hope Cleveland/Minn have a short run..

Thompson is a really good prospect, though I know some think he’ll never make an impact.

Atlanta has no reason to tank and is set up nicely to add a really good player to Trae/Jalen this summer. The picks to me seem very average and pretty unexciting, beyond the lack of protection… Though I know some think Atlanta will fail in retooling and win the lottery again next year..

Spurs are here to make up for the value Pistons aren't providing, by taking a player they don't need. Ausar makes no sense on the current Spurs roster, I'd rather keep Sochan and the picks.

You quoted someone who you disagree with and said the opposite but didn’t say anything about it…

Spurs should want to be included because they should value an elite defender. Sochan isn’t really in the OP? Sochan and Thompson can be your starting forwards as long as they both work on their range just a bit. Or either one gets respectable at least.

Utah would keep the superior prospect. They have enough mystery bag picks. Start Hendricks/Thompson and see if either develop during a two year rebuild.

Again, the Jazz

1. Only want to play five out
2. Value offense significantly more than defense

I think these are stupid philosophies, but that's what they seem to believe. In that case, they would never trade for Ausar as he can't shoot at all.

[One_and_Done]

It's such crazy reasoning. If you think Wemby is so good he can get by with bad spacing around him, why don't you extend that line of thinking and ask how good he'd be WITH spacing around him.

I think you need four guys who operate outside the paint and one guy who operates in the paint in the NBA.

Wemby I see as a midpost guy in the NBA shooting over smaller defenders.

Ausar is there for when Wemby blows by a guy and needs to dump it off near the basket. Ausar also will provide elite defense and has the potential to be the best perimeter defender in the NBA.

But the Spurs have a guy who operates in the paint. Wemby; the greatest lob threat in the league. Why would they switch that up to play a homeless man's Richard Jefferson in the post?

I get that Troy Weaver has been your GM until recently, but other teams generally don't make moves to shoot their star players in the foot. Certainly not smart teams like the Spurs.

[One_and_Done]

Spurs are here to make up for the value Pistons aren't providing, by taking a player they don't need. Ausar makes no sense on the current Spurs roster, I'd rather keep Sochan and the picks.

You quoted someone who you disagree with and said the opposite but didn’t say anything about it…

Spurs should want to be included because they should value an elite defender. Sochan isn’t really in the OP? Sochan and Thompson can be your starting forwards as long as they both work on their range just a bit. Or either one gets respectable at least.

Utah would keep the superior prospect. They have enough mystery bag picks. Start Hendricks/Thompson and see if either develop during a two year rebuild.

Again, the Jazz

1. Only want to play five out
2. Value offense significantly more than defense

I think these are stupid philosophies, but that's what they seem to believe. In that case, they would never trade for Ausar as he can't shoot at all.

Is that you Troy?

[Chinook]

Basically nobody can handle players who can't shoot. Playing five-out, four-out or any other offense doesn't mean shooting is more or less useful. Even if the Spurs' system allowed Thompson to play in the paint, they'd prefer him to be able to shoot so other guys could also play in the paint. It's like how teams can hide a bad defender but would prefer to not have to hide bad defenders so they could have more versatility in their match-ups.

Guys like Thompson and Young have limited value to every team, regardless of the players on the roster. They have varying levels of value, but I agree it's much better to allow guys to play their best than hamper them by forcing them to play in suboptimal conditions.

[jayjaysee]

Spurs are here to make up for the value Pistons aren't providing, by taking a player they don't need. Ausar makes no sense on the current Spurs roster, I'd rather keep Sochan and the picks.

You quoted someone who you disagree with and said the opposite but didn’t say anything about it…

Spurs should want to be included because they should value an elite defender. Sochan isn’t really in the OP? Sochan and Thompson can be your starting forwards as long as they both work on their range just a bit. Or either one gets respectable at least.

Utah would keep the superior prospect. They have enough mystery bag picks. Start Hendricks/Thompson and see if either develop during a two year rebuild.

Again, the Jazz

1. Only want to play five out
2. Value offense significantly more than defense

I think these are stupid philosophies, but that's what they seem to believe. In that case, they would never trade for Ausar as he can't shoot at all.

Well then yeah you both seem to want Detroit cut out.

4th and the Atlanta picks for Lauri.

SAS has cap space to make it happen. Or you can force Utah to take on some other salary if SA wants to try and find a starting point guard.

[HadAnEffectHere]

You quoted someone who you disagree with and said the opposite but didn’t say anything about it…

Spurs should want to be included because they should value an elite defender. Sochan isn’t really in the OP? Sochan and Thompson can be your starting forwards as long as they both work on their range just a bit. Or either one gets respectable at least.

Utah would keep the superior prospect. They have enough mystery bag picks. Start Hendricks/Thompson and see if either develop during a two year rebuild.

Again, the Jazz

1. Only want to play five out
2. Value offense significantly more than defense

I think these are stupid philosophies, but that's what they seem to believe. In that case, they would never trade for Ausar as he can't shoot at all.

Well then yeah you both seem to want Detroit cut out.

4th and the Atlanta picks for Lauri.

SAS has cap space to make it happen. Or you can force Utah to take on some other salary if SA wants to try and find a starting point guard.

Ehh, I made this thread in part because I just hate the fit of Ausar on the Pistons so much and really want him traded to the Thunder and Spurs. I just see the twins badly struggling to win without a stretch 5 next to them.

I also don't know if the Spurs are interested in Markkanen. Obviously they like him (they tried to sign him three years ago) and he's a very good fit next to Wemby playstyle wise, but they seem to be wanting to take things very slowly.

[wemby]

Ehh, I made this thread in part because I just hate the fit of Ausar on the Pistons so much and really want him traded to the Thunder and Spurs. I just see the twins badly struggling to win without a stretch 5 next to them.

Yeah, exactly like I said:

The problem is, the Spurs don't give a rat's ass about helping the Thompson twins reach their potential. This is the recurring theme here, people find a flawed player and go about finding a team that helps him hide his flaws, disregarding that isn't said team's problem in the first place. So no to small, defensively challenged, overpaid guards like Trae Young or Darius Garland, or non shooting prospects like Amen Thompson (who I otherwise like). Spurs aren't a charity, they have THEIR OWN NEEDS TO ATTEND TO.

Any trade proposal whose primary target is help a player rather than the teams involved is doomed to fail.

[AingesBurner]

Really makes no sense for any of the teams involved.

[SkyHook]

Utah gets: #5 pick, 2025 Hawks pick top 4 protected, 2027 Hawks pick top 2 protected
Detroit gets: Lauri Markkanen
San Antonio gets: Ausar Thompson

What's with the protections on the ATL picks? I don't see that they're protected by the Hawks. And DET is clearly stealing value here. A simple Jazz/Spurs deal of Lauri + Keyonte for #5 + the Hawks picks unprotected might have legs.

I disagree with the assertion that the Jazz are locked into a philosophy that doesn't value defense. These past two seasons mean little in terms of priorities or a long term playing style.

[DetroitDon15]

If the Spurs are giving the 2 picks from Atlanta for Thompson, the Pistons should cut out Utah. It makes sense to take the picks and run. Pistons adding two lotto players this year can help them push forward the rebuild.