Dallas idea. 2025 and 2031 firsts

[daoneandonly]

Why not both? Simons and Thybulle for THJ, Green, Kleber, and the '25 pick?

I don't love the return for Simons, but I do love unprotected 2025 first rounders. Green is worth a look and still has higher upside than the solid but incurably limited Thybulle (who fits better with a Mavericks team that wanted him a year ago). Kleber is actually a decent part-time fit with/behind Ayton if Timelord can't play. The Blazers get off at least part of the contracts earlier, too. But it's really all about the pick: basically a big swing in case something goes wrong in Dallas next year. The idea is improved by attaching this year's second rounders to THJ or Kleber to shed one contract right away, if that's remotely possible.

IMO the target for Dallas should be Brogdon. THJ/Kleber/'25 1st (lightly protected).

Exum can play 3rd fiddle in case of Brogdon resting/injury risk. Hardy can play the backup 2 (he's already playing this MIN series to a decent outcome) next year and go bananas on the 2nd unit. Thybulle for Green doesn't do much, he's a much better defender, but much worse offensively. Rather keep the younger and more energetic player. O-Max can get some backup 4 minutes to continue his development since Maxi would be gone (probably use BAE in another backup forward to split minutes like Batum).

Doncic/Brogdon/Exum
Irving/Hardy
DJJ (hopefully re-signed)/Green/Lawson
Washington/O-Max
Lively/Gafford/Powell

I like Brogdon's idea, but not using an FRP given our few assets, plus that makes us practically say goodbye to the idea of ​​clearing enough money to rehire DJJ and in this scenario, how do we replace him??... how Would it be a trade for Miles Bridges? Do we like him? Can we get there?

Agreed. In no way whatsoever is Brogden worth a FRP

[jayjaysee]

1) i think Ingram fetches more than a late 2025 1st and a pick 7 yrs away, esp attached w/ dallas' fillers
2) GSW stubbornly held onto kuminga when he was worth more, i doubt they will change course now
3) Dont think washington want to wait 7 yrs for the main return for a deni trade either

I mean, Dallas fillers for Ingram would be mostly cancelled out by the additional value involved, right? it’s pretty unfair to ignore “Proper+2nds” but still mention the salary issue? If taking on Green or THJ was that big a burden, wouldn’t you just dump one or both with the minor value added, and keep the two firsts?

Kuminga and Deni I don’t necessarily disagree with you. I know they are hot names. I just wanted to push the conversation a bit away from Simons…

But just the idea that “pick seven years out” is used in that way feels strange. Because once the trade happens, everyone will say how short sighted it was to trade an unprotected first that far out and how great Washington did getting such an asset with that kind of variance..

Feels a bit like losing either way.

i was thinking of a competing philly offer of capspace and picks if they strike out on PG. i dont think prosper + 2nds can dump green/kleber and THJ into cap.

pick 7 years out only sound exciting to fans but not to real life FOs imo. feels like LAL every year is looking to acquire an impact player for 2 distant picks but never pulled it off, despite how highly fans on realgm think of their future unprotected picks 4+ years down the road

The LAL 2027 first did return a lot. LAL just picked the wrong point guard by involving Minnesota.

[vxmike]

Right now his value is more potential than production. Another year without making the leap from a talented but inconsistent young guy to a consistent impact player lowers his value.

Sure. But he fits the exact profile that gets overpaid. I also doubt he thinks he’s going to drop out of the league after one year, though that’s always possible. But is the upside of signing a new 3-4 year deal after being “out of” Chicago better than 3 years at $13m? When he’ll have already made $13m for one year, and had a relatively highly paid rookie contract? I don’t know.

Oh 100% he's the type of guy who would get overpaid on potential (talented, athletic, good size for his position, good shooter (albeit on low attempts) but inconsistent and injury prone).

The several million dollar question is how much does a breakout year increase his next contract vs. how much does another inconsistent/injury prone deal lower it. I know the athlete mindset is to bet on yourself but if someone offers him, say, 4/55 with a PO on the last year, he can guarantee himself another ~$40 million with only locking up two more years...I'd probably say that's worth the risk?

As a Bulls fan I assure you it’s not worth the risk. This dude has zero motor and that won’t improve after signing a new contract.