Butler to PHI - How many (and which) picks makes this viable

[louc1970]

Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

That was my thought as well.
Miami sends Butler
Golden State sends Paul, Moody, Looney, TJD, and 25 FRP.

Butler adds the toughness along with Green which could make GSW a contender again.
Miami getting those players picks up a SG, a back up center and a young PF. Paul is released saving $$$

[NYG]

If KD and Mitchell ask out... could Miami get enough for Butler and Herro to land KD and Mitchell without losing Bam if they included all of their picks Jovic and JJJ?

[Flash4thewin]

If KD and Mitchell ask out... could Miami get enough for Butler and Herro to land KD and Mitchell without losing Bam if they included all of their picks Jovic and JJJ?

Honestly it's wildly unlikely. If KD and Mitchell ask out, teams will target them before Butler.

I openly wonder what value Herro has, not in a trolling like mood question but honestly who would give up real assets for him considering he was injured this season for a good portion of the season and the playoffs where not kind to him. Objectively speaking it was not a good season for him so it's hard to see much demand for him but all it takes is one team I guess.

[Hoops3355]

Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

That was my thought as well.
Miami sends Butler
Golden State sends Paul, Moody, Looney, TJD, and 25 FRP.

Butler adds the toughness along with Green which could make GSW a contender again.
Miami getting those players picks up a SG, a back up center and a young PF. Paul is released saving $$$

Too many bodies. I'd think that Paul + Kuminga are probably Riley's preferred assets and if they were there that would definitely be a good chunk of the way there.

[Sportfan73]

Many teams can do this. According to the latest report from Miami local media Anthony Chiang (a reliable source), there are two other teams other than the Sixers that have shown serious interest in Butler.

I believe the Lakers is dark horse in the Butler market. They probably can't get someone like Trae, but they could make the sacrifice for a guy like Butler who fits the timeline.

Golden State could easily beat the Sixers' offer if it adds Kuminga to the package. In fact, they look desperate like the Lakers.

If Butler is officially in the market, he'll probably have more customers. There's no reason for the Heat to rush.

This is totally mistaken. Butler is going to go to wherever he wants. Get over it.
Today’s NBA stars get whatever they want. 1 late FRP and a 40millon TPE. Is the likely return. Miami will eventually turn that into another star later on.

Correct.

That's why Dame is in Miami.

You're extorting the wrong fanbase, here.

Well I mean guy with 4 years left on his deal vs guy who’s expiring and needs an extension who can at least somewhat dictate who he would sign said extension with (which affects his value to said team/teams). So it’s not apples to apples there

[BBallFreak]

This is totally mistaken. Butler is going to go to wherever he wants. Get over it.
Today’s NBA stars get whatever they want. 1 late FRP and a 40millon TPE. Is the likely return. Miami will eventually turn that into another star later on.

Correct.

That's why Dame is in Miami.

You're extorting the wrong fanbase, here.

Well I mean guy with 4 years left on his deal vs guy who’s expiring and needs an extension who can at least somewhat dictate who he would sign said extension with (which affects his value to said team/teams). So it’s not apples to apples there

See Lenard, Kawhi

[louc1970]

Couldn't MIA send him somewhere for actual players or do we believe Pat Riley has any intention of a blowup and rebuild? doesn't seem like the MIA way. Can't imagine Bam loves the idea.

That was my thought as well.
Miami sends Butler
Golden State sends Paul, Moody, Looney, TJD, and 25 FRP.

Butler adds the toughness along with Green which could make GSW a contender again.
Miami getting those players picks up a SG, a back up center and a young PF. Paul is released saving $$$

Too many bodies. I'd think that Paul + Kuminga are probably Riley's preferred assets and if they were there that would definitely be a good chunk of the way there.

I would agree those are the preferred choices. I personally would rather have Moody/TJD over Kuminga. One reason is money, neither will command the up-salary of Kuminga.
Maybe swap out Moody for Kuminga.

[Sportfan73]

Correct.

That's why Dame is in Miami.

You're extorting the wrong fanbase, here.

Well I mean guy with 4 years left on his deal vs guy who’s expiring and needs an extension who can at least somewhat dictate who he would sign said extension with (which affects his value to said team/teams). So it’s not apples to apples there

See Lenard, Kawhi

Kawhi is like one of the only examples in nba history of a guy with only a year left on his deal being sent somewhere he didnt want to go and his team did it out of spite for a worse return than they were being offered by the team he did want to go to. In this situation there’s probably no more desperate gm that will pay more than morey for a 35 year old expiring jimmy butler for the right to give him a max extension regardless so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Both sides would be motivated to deal with each other

[VaDe255]

Well I mean guy with 4 years left on his deal vs guy who’s expiring and needs an extension who can at least somewhat dictate who he would sign said extension with (which affects his value to said team/teams). So it’s not apples to apples there

See Lenard, Kawhi

Kawhi is like one of the only examples in nba history of a guy with only a year left on his deal being sent somewhere he didnt want to go and his team did it out of spite for a worse return than they were being offered by the team he did want to go to. In this situation there’s probably no more desperate gm that will pay more than morey for a 35 year old expiring jimmy butler for the right to give him a max extension regardless so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Both sides would be motivated to deal with each other

They aren't trading Jimmy for 1 FRP and a TPE that is just a hilarious proposition.
Plenty of teams would like the services of a prooven playoff performer, NY, OKC, GSW just to name a few.

Gotta be 2-3 FRPs, this isn't going to be a Dame situation if he goes on the market. It will be a mutual decision to move on between him and the Heat, this is a professional organization not a circus.

[Sportfan73]

See Lenard, Kawhi

Kawhi is like one of the only examples in nba history of a guy with only a year left on his deal being sent somewhere he didnt want to go and his team did it out of spite for a worse return than they were being offered by the team he did want to go to. In this situation there’s probably no more desperate gm that will pay more than morey for a 35 year old expiring jimmy butler for the right to give him a max extension regardless so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Both sides would be motivated to deal with each other

They aren't trading Jimmy for 1 FRP and a TPE that is just a hilarious proposition.
Plenty of teams would like the services of a prooven playoff performer, NY, OKC, GSW just to name a few.

Gotta be 2-3 FRPs, this isn't going to be a Dame situation if he goes on the market. It will be a mutual decision to move on between him and the Heat, this is a professional organization not a circus.

I wasn’t the guy who suggested 1 frp. I don’t believe for a second they could get him for 1. I just said in my message you quoted that no GM will be more desperate than Daryl and it’s a good trade pairing. I think probably either a premium first, a decent first and a swap. Or like 3 decent firsts. So somewhere in between 2-3 firsts for sure