You are the GM of the Hawks, what would you do this offseason?

[Whole Truth]

sarr actually starts perfectly on this team because he doesn't play the same position on our team as Onyeka. Onyeka would be the starting Center and Sarr would be the PF. Jalen Johnson's skill set fits perfectly at the 3 so that shouldn't be a problem at all either.

What we really need to do is see if we can find a big 2 way SG that has top tier defense to pair next to trae with that lineup.

I don't know how you can say the fit is perfect with Trae wanting to win now. Do you think Sarr is going to step in as a raw offensive product next to a C that is mostly a lob threat & there will be no growing pains or fit issues. I'm sure Trae will see the potential & wait it out.

If you looking for a PF why not Risarcher? Part reason Sarr was upset with Wemby/Spurs is because he said Risarcher was the best french prospect & Sarr took exception to that comment.

Okoro's name has popped up in trade in combination with a link saying Hawks, Cavs & NO's will explore trade talks.

I'm confused as what Sarr has to do with the Spurs. If Luka can wait on Lively to contribute, Trae can with Sarr with no issues.

The real problem is if they trade DJM for pure young prospects and picks. They almost have to get back a player level of Ingram/Bridges, that's what Trae is pushing for most likely.

There's a Pelicans link saying Hawks might be considering (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb)

[AaronB]

Neither Hunter nor Murray are difference makers in the NBA.

There aren't many of those, unfortunately.

I think until they find a difference maker that they just tread water where they are.

Sucks and the Magic were in a very similar place 3 years ago.

They chose to sell and rebuild.

Magic got lucky and it worked out, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

[Wolveswin]

Neither Hunter nor Murray are difference makers in the NBA.

There aren't many of those, unfortunately.

I think until they find a difference maker that they just tread water where they are.

Sucks and the Magic were in a very similar place 3 years ago.

They chose to sell and rebuild.

Magic got lucky and it worked out, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

No disrespect, but what have Magic done that make them the poster child?

I mean Hawks have Trae Young and Jalen Johnson. Two very promising youth - with Trae more proven than anyone on Magic to date. Right?

Sure Hawks have to get this #1 pick right to supplement those two, but opportunity is now.

[Whole Truth]

The Pels recent link of (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb)

I think is a good trade for both teams. NO's fans don't want to part with Herb, Hawks don't want to part with the #1 pick.

Herb is a proven elite 3D wing on a 12m contract that just won 1st team defense among 4 big men. He slots in well next to young now. #1 Sarr is a potential unicorn but undeveloped where Young is ready to win now, where they don't own their draft for 3yrs to risk the potential of the #1 pick coming with Herb's 12m value point but proven.

Dumping Hunter 20m 4yrs with Murray 30m 4yrs for the SF upgrade allows Hawks to extend BI without adding cost to a team near or in the tax.

Okongwu
BI - extended in dumping Hunters contract
Johnson
Herb - 12m price point of #1 pick but PROVEN elite 3D wing who just won 1st team defense.
Young

Sarr 19 - unproven potential unicorn that Zion has proven to need, which is harder to obtain
Zion 23
Murphy 23
Hawkins 22
Daniels 20

CJ & Murray bridge a development gap for Daniels who's elite defensively but needs to improve offensively. Viewed as Herbs potential replacement. NO's turn BI's pending extension into Murphy, Murray & Hunter, 3-1, reset their ceiling timeline with Sarr's potential, control & fit with Zion who's still only 23. Banking on Sarr's, Daniels defense & offensive potential. With Zion still only 23, Sarr's is under better control than Herb, where worse case Zion proves he can't stay healthy or they miss BI more than expected. NO's will get a good pick in a strong 25 class in combination with a Laker pick that has some lotto projection, that they can pivot to a quick rebuild with none being older than 23.

[Ball4life32]

The Pels recent link of (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb)

I think is a good trade for both teams. NO's fans don't want to part with Herb, Hawks don't want to part with the #1 pick.

Herb is a proven elite 3D wing on a 12m contract that just won 1st team defense among 4 big men. He slots in well next to young now. #1 Sarr is a potential unicorn but undeveloped where Young is ready to win now, where they don't own their draft for 3yrs to risk the potential of the #1 pick coming with Herb's 12m value point but proven.

Dumping Hunter 20m 4yrs with Murray 30m 4yrs for the SF upgrade allows Hawks to extend BI without adding cost to a team near or in the tax.

Okongwu
BI - extended in dumping Hunters contract
Johnson
Herb - 12m price point of #1 pick but PROVEN elite 3D wing who just won 1st team defense.
Young

Sarr 19 - unproven potential unicorn that Zion has proven to need, which is harder to obtain
Zion 23
Murphy 23
Hawkins 22
Daniels 20

CJ & Murray bridge a development gap for Daniels who's elite defensively but needs to improve offensively. Viewed as Herbs potential replacement. NO's turn BI's pending extension into Murphy, Murray & Hunter, 3-1, reset their ceiling timeline with Sarr's potential, control & fit with Zion who's still only 23. Banking on Sarr's, Daniels defense & offensive potential. With Zion still only 23, Sarr's is under better control than Herb, where worse case Zion proves he can't stay healthy or they miss BI more than expected. NO's will get a good pick in a strong 25 class in combination with a Laker pick that has some lotto projection, that they can pivot to a quick rebuild with none being older than 23.

Do you do it if you switch Okongwu for #1 pick?

[Wolveswin]

The Pels recent link of (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb)

I think is a good trade for both teams. NO's fans don't want to part with Herb, Hawks don't want to part with the #1 pick.

That has to be green font.

Murray > Ingram (even if you think Murray = Ingram)
#1>Herb (I am sorry, even in this draft class)
Hunter isn’t an albatross weighing that Hawks offer down.

Hawks would be dumb to trade for expiring BI (and no he can’t be extended- numbers don’t work) and nice role player Herb (no disrespect but Herb upside is high end role player).

[HadAnEffectHere]

Move 1: Draft Risacher #1

In a very depressing draft, the Hawks pick a guy who is very likely to be a solid though not spectacular guy on both ends who can come in and contribute right away.

Move 2: Trade Dejounte Murray and Clint Capela to the Pelicans for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance, and a future first. Larry Nance is dumped later for tax savings.

The Hawks move away from the horrible Dejounte at SG experience and add an iso scorer who can help Trae when Trae is receiving a lot of defensive attention or when Trae is on the bench or when Ingram has a mismatch.

For the Pels, they add hopefully a better fit while getting a lot of long term savings to help them afford Trey Murphy.

Move 3: Sign Nic Claxton a 4 year, $100m deal in a sign and trade where the Hawks give up Bogi and Okongwu.

I feel like Claxton would be very interested in heading back to Georgia and would be a great fit with Quin's new aggressively switching perimeter defense. The Nets meanwhile get back some needed scoring in Bogi and have a playable center in Okongwu.

Move 4: Sign Precious to however much they can while staying under the tax.

Another center that fits well with the aggressive switching defense Quin thinks can protect Trae.

Rotation

PG: Trae Young
SG: Risacher
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Jalen Johnson
C: Nic Claxton

Bench: Kobe Bufkin, DeAndre Hunter, Precious.

A ridiculously huge and switchable team other than Trae with some decent shooting and scoring options.

[Celts17Pride]

You lost me at "Rebuilding around Trae Young".

[Colbinii]

Can you explain how this is worth a thread as opposed to posting in the thread below, which was bumped less than an hour ago?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2383033

[Ball4life32]

You lost me at "Rebuilding around Trae".

Yeah he’s only led 4 top 10 offenses in a row and only 25 years old. Let’s name all the players that can do that with zero all star teammates. (outside of 1 time all star Murray who he doesn’t fit with)

[Colbinii]

You lost me at "Rebuilding around Trae".

Yeah he’s only led 4 top 10 offenses in a row and only 25 years old. Let’s name all the players that can do that with zero all star teammates. (outside of 1 time all star Murray who he doesn’t fit with)

"You lost me at "Rebuilding around Tatum", until Jaylen Brown blossomed and they acquired Derrick White, Kristaps Porzingis, Jrue Holiday

[Whole Truth]

The Pels recent link of (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb)

I think is a good trade for both teams. NO's fans don't want to part with Herb, Hawks don't want to part with the #1 pick.

That has to be green font.

Murray > Ingram (even if you think Murray = Ingram)
#1>Herb (I am sorry, even in this draft class)
Hunter isn’t an albatross weighing that Hawks offer down.

Hawks would be dumb to trade for expiring BI (and no he can’t be extended- numbers don’t work) and nice role player Herb (no disrespect but Herb upside is high end role player).

It's not. If you value Bridges, you should value Herb. Herb just made 1st team all defense among a group of big men, he shot 40% on decent volume & is paid 12m for the next 3-4yrs. The #1 pick has elite defensive potential at 12m. With Young wanting to win now, Herb is a proven elite defensive floor spacer at great contract value with no risk of him not panning out on either end.

In what way other than contract status is Murray better than Ingram ? Murray loses his defensive worth outside of playing point, BI is a lengthy wing who can play 2-4. The defender Hawks overpaid for, is not the one they're trading, NO's are hoping a move back to point will make a difference, it might not. BI has a similar offensive output playing next to 2, not 1 star where he averaged 16 APG to Murray's 18. The leverage Murray has over BI is their contract/control but that's why Hunter is in the deal, Murray & Hunter is 50m, BI's expected extension. Considering Murray failed to fit next to Young, BI is also perceived as a potential better fit at SF in the trade off.

Like I said, value is relative & this trade was said to be what Hawks were considering as they were after Herb at the deadline.

Disagree if you want, Atlanta not controlling their draft for the next 3 seasons, with Young wanting to win now makes that "potential" pick even more riskier for them. NO's fans are up in arms about trading Herb for anyone in this draft class. I think the tradeoff has potential to give both teams what they want/need. This as someone who absolutely doesn't want to trade Herb. Atlanta says no, I wouldn't blink. I'd be thinking they save me from myself for think Sarr would be a good fit.

[Whole Truth]

You lost me at "Rebuilding around Trae".

Yeah he’s only led 4 top 10 offenses in a row and only 25 years old. Let’s name all the players that can do that with zero all star teammates. (outside of 1 time all star Murray who he doesn’t fit with)

That's the rub. Young next to Murray had his lowest usage rate since his rookie season at 30%. Pairing him with Murray had him sharing the offense.

Same with NO's. When BI & CJ played, Zion often averaged 8-12 APG sharing the court.

I could argue a star next to Young could drop his value & worth. Where he's better suited with role players. that cater to his deficiencies.

Young's usage & shots go down, his defense starts to out weight.

[JKiddy]

I would move Capela ASAP and get as much value as I can for him.

I would probably trade Trae to BK if they would give up one of the Suns picks, the Sixers pick they own, another swap, and DFS with another young player they have who would pair better with DJM and build around him and youth.

[Wolveswin]

Here we go…

To Hawks: Towns + Isaac + Moore Jr. + #18

To Magic: Trae Young + Hunter + Reid

To Wolves: Franz Wagner + Anthony + Capela

At first blush, Hawks could prefer Wagner direct. That option can work too - send #1 to Wolves. But, we have to figure Hawks are scouting and falling in love with someone at #1. For this scenario, let’s assume Risacher. Also, advantage of having 4x years of rookie contract matched up with Towns Supermax.

Hawks:
Towns | Okongwu
Jalen Johnson or Isaac
Risacher or JJ | Bey?
BB or Risacher | Griffin
Murray | Bufkin

Magic:
Reid or WCP (fight it out for starting role) | M. Wagner
Banchero | WCP or Reid
Hunter | Houstan
Suggs | Black | Jett
Trae | Black

Wolves:
Gobert | Capela
Wagner or McDaniels
McDaniels or Wagner | Anderson
Edwards | NAW
Conley | Anthony (starts when ready)