LaVine to Lakers with Chicago follow ups with the other LA

[Texas Chuck]

So I know Lakers fans are down on this, and don't blame them. But I think Russell is going to opt out making them unable to use his salary in trade and maybe forcing them to re-sign him, but this at least mitigates that some if they don't want to.

Lakers trade: Rui/Vincent/Vanderbilt
Lakers get: LaVine

Bulls then follow up with Rui for Norman Powell and Vincent for Tucker (they have to do both, Clippers won't do just one). Both of those are legal as the Clippers send more in each than they take back.

Bulls end up trading Lavine for Powell/Tucker/Vanderbilt. They hope to flip Powell or if they are bringing back DD, then they keep him as he provides offense. Tucker is just an expiring, they buy out and Vanderbilt in theory fits okay with Vuc. Tons of money savings.

Lakers get a talented guy for spare parts. Hope they get the best version of him playing with Lebron/AD.

Clippers turn Powell into a bigger player for better balance and Vincent gives them a defensive guard they currently lack. Just better balance and keeping salary slots alive.

No picks anywhere so Lakers hang on to that pick.

[Karmaloop]

So I know Lakers fans are down on this, and don't blame them.

Explain to me how this isn't the Russell Westbrook trade 2.0 Chuck.

[babyjax13]

So I know Lakers fans are down on this, and don't blame them.

Explain to me how this isn't the Russell Westbrook trade 2.0 Chuck.

LaVine is actually a stylistic fit because his best attribute is off-ball shooting gravity.

[Texas Chuck]

So I know Lakers fans are down on this, and don't blame them.

Explain to me how this isn't the Russell Westbrook trade 2.0 Chuck.

LaVine is actually a stylistic fit because his best attribute is off-ball shooting gravity.

Jax addressed the biggest part.

I also think just in gerneral that one big contract guy isn't automatically the same as another. And just because something didn't work once, where the Lakers gave up far more useful players than they are here btw, doesn't mean never try it again.

Now this might be terrible. I certainly have no issue with you wanting no part of him. I just disagree in general with Westbrook really being relevant.

[Colbinii]

So I know Lakers fans are down on this, and don't blame them.

Explain to me how this isn't the Russell Westbrook trade 2.0 Chuck.

LaVine is much younger.
LaVine is an excellent shooter.
LaVine is bigger.

Really weird that you need this explained.

But, lets all rejoice that Lakers Fans no longer want to trade for star-type talents. Imagine being in 2021 and telling Lakers Fans "You will all be afraid of trading 2 non-playable role players and 1 play-able role player for an All-Star Talent in the midst of his prime, with no picks".

[Colbinii]

So I know Lakers fans are down on this, and don't blame them.

Explain to me how this isn't the Russell Westbrook trade 2.0 Chuck.

Actually, this question just gets worse and worse.

Explain it to you?

How about the fact that Vanderbilt and Vincent are not anywhere close to Kuzma and KCP?

[Colbinii]

ITT, Lakers fans equating Vanderbilt and Vincent to Kuzma and KCP.

Hilarious. You guys are so lucky LeBron joined your organization.

[psman2]

Yep, this is the type of move LAL needs to make but apron rules (100% matching) likely prevent it without Russell. Would like to work in Caruso and 17 too if the money can be figured out.

[Texas Chuck]

Yep, this is the type of move LAL needs to make but apron rules (100% matching) likely prevent it without Russell. Would like to work in Caruso and 17 too if the money can be figured out.

Okay so I had Russell opting out in the OP. Does that do enough to make this legal?

If he opts in, I love your idea of adding in Caruso/17.

[ejftw]

Would hate losing Norm, but wouldn't mind throwing Bones or BJ into the fire to see if they can replicate the microwave sixth man role at a decent percentage of Powell. Rui is also the type of four that would fit well.

Would prefer to avoid the PJ/Vincent swap, but could live with it.

[psman2]

Yep, this is the type of move LAL needs to make but apron rules (100% matching) likely prevent it without Russell. Would like to work in Caruso and 17 too if the money can be figured out.

Okay so I had Russell opting out in the OP. Does that do enough to make this legal?

If he opts in, I love your idea of adding in Caruso/17.

Sorry...skimmed the OP and missed the Russell opting out. Yes that should leave them plenty of space under the 1st apron to do this.

[Godaddycurse]

im not sure i understand why Bulls wouldn't just keep hachimura/vincent instead of powell/tucker? They have a much greater need at the 4 than microwave scoring SG

[Texas Chuck]

Would hate losing Norm, but wouldn't mind throwing Bones or BJ into the fire to see if they can replicate the microwave sixth man role at a decent percentage of Powell. Rui is also the type of four that would fit well.

Would prefer to avoid the PJ/Vincent swap, but could live with it.

I actually liked that for the Clippers. I mean maybe Vincent doesn't return to Miami from, but so what Tucker isn't going to play and because of the 2nd apron, its hard to trade him for a non-flawed player with the Clippers not really having assets to add. And if he does, he gives them a playable guy, certainly for the RS.

And whereas for most teams I'd say sure don't take on the future money, its Ballmer. I've given up worrying about that lol. It's the one franchise where when fans say the money doesn't matter, they aren't ever wrong. The money does not matter.

[Texas Chuck]

im not sure i understand why Bulls wouldn't just keep hachimura/vincent instead of powell/tucker? They have a much greater need at the 4 than microwave scoring SG

I'm clearing future money. Chicago might not because they are Chicago, but I'd prefer the flexibility over Rui. Especially as I expect them to pay Williams even if they shouldn't.

But yeah the Clippers part can be left out of course. Just was trying to make it better for Chicago

[nzahir]

I think we should pass on Lavine unless Dlo opts in and is used

Dlo, Rui, Vincent

Thats it

Lavine is a bad contract, has huge injury concerns, and in today's nba its hard to build a team with 3 guys making 40m+, especailly when you dont have a guy who is in the top 2-3 (funny enough though, not many guys I want more in the playoffs than Lebron still)

I am throwing in Vando and our 1st/JHS + a couple 2nds? if Caruso is in it, but also fine keeping it as is

FA: Assume cp3 doesnt stay in GS and get him for the min?
Try to use mle on a guy like Oubre, GTJ, Jones Jr, Naji Marshall, Dunn

Steal a guy like Batum or RoCo on vet min?

Hope prince opts in?

Lavine, Christie/mle?, Vando/mle?, Lebron, AD

Cp3, Reaves, Wood

Meh, feels like we still have 2 holes

1) We need to get a C who can stretch the floor and be a legit big vs Denver

2) Is Vando going to be trust worthy enough to close games or do we need another 3/4 who is a reliable shooter

Also are those mle targets even realistic puts a big Q mark on this stuff. That guy may be needed to close games

If we go with a Lavine deal though we at least have picks and swaps left to make other moves. I believe we can still combine salaries right?

[Karmaloop]

ITT, Lakers fans equating Vanderbilt and Vincent to Kuzma and KCP.

Hilarious. You guys are so lucky LeBron joined your organization.

Missing the entirety of the post seems logical when you're too busy trying to take digs at a fanbase. But thanks for playing.

And the point I was trying to get at that you seem more interested in glossing over is the fact that this deal would COMPLETELY destroy the Lakers' depth chart. Look at the roster assuming that D'Angelo Russell opts out, you've got LBJ, AD, LaVine, and Reaves along with a bunch of veteran minimum and the tax-MLE. Unless LaVine suddenly figures out how to stay healthy, I'm not sure that putting all their eggs in a basket of a guy in a guy who has played in 56 games per season over the last 3 seasons is the right idea. Value obviously makes sense, but it pretty much drains the Lakers of any depth.

And not that long ago that Kuzma was just a jump shooting big who didn't offer anything, and KCP was just another role player wing. But I digress.

[ejftw]

Would hate losing Norm, but wouldn't mind throwing Bones or BJ into the fire to see if they can replicate the microwave sixth man role at a decent percentage of Powell. Rui is also the type of four that would fit well.

Would prefer to avoid the PJ/Vincent swap, but could live with it.

I actually liked that for the Clippers. I mean maybe Vincent doesn't return to Miami from, but so what Tucker isn't going to play and because of the 2nd apron, its hard to trade him for a non-flawed player with the Clippers not really having assets to add. And if he does, he gives them a playable guy, certainly for the RS.

And whereas for most teams I'd say sure don't take on the future money, its Ballmer. I've given up worrying about that lol. It's the one franchise where when fans say the money doesn't matter, they aren't ever wrong. The money does not matter.

Oh it definitely doesn't have to do with Vincent's second year, more with PJ making more, even if it's ever so slightly, which is vital with the new CBA for the Clips, and I'd rather have an extra four that won't play versus adding a guard, who, I admittedly aren't a fan of.

With the assumption that Harden, Russ, PG are staying, just the Norm/Rui part leaves the bench G rotation to be Russ, Bones, BJ (other moves obviously will occur). I feel that Lue will over play Gabe the way Doc did Avery Bradley as an example.

Though, looking around the league, there's really no one that makes around PJ's number that is available. Maybe Shamet? Or if the Lakers wanna clear Vanderbilt? So, with that taken into consideration, might as well kick the salary to next year and take Vincent

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls absolutely need the second trade and really need to find a new home for Powell. Powell lists as 6-4, I recall 6-3, either way with White and Dosunmu at 6-5, and giving up Caruso and Lavine the Bulls end up kind of small at their top 3 guard spots.

Maybe they release Tucker, maybe his agent can get something or some body from the team he wants to end up with.

The Bulls end up with Vanderbilt, he's been a decent rebounder, not much of a shooter, not a kid anymore. See what he's got.

I think the problem that shakes out is the Bulls clear rotation spots in Lavine and Caruso with no replacements. which makes it less likely they bring back DeRozan because they don't look like even a play in team. Then find anybody that wants Vucevic. I'm resigning Williams, putting him at the 3 and keep yelling for him to shoot.

Who they can add with this mountain of cap space I'm not really sure that's why I am resistant to getting so much at one time with a limited pool to draw from. My usual choice is John Collins at the 4, resign Andre Drummond while keeping Torrey Craig and Justin Phillips.