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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#21 » by Wolveswin » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:49 am

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Well you have to do it as part of OP or this trade is illegal for them

Moore Jr (into TPE) and sending out #27 (cap hold) to Cavs should do it.

This would also hard cap them under the second apron, due to salary aggregation.

Aren’t wolves barely over. That dumps like 4-5M. Moore Jr into TPE for nothing. Removing cap hit of pick.
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#22 » by Colbinii » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:50 am

Wolveswin wrote:
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Wolveswin wrote:Moore Jr (into TPE) and sending out #27 (cap hold) to Cavs should do it.

This would also hard cap them under the second apron, due to salary aggregation.

Aren’t wolves barely over. That dumps like 4-5M. Moore Jr into TPE for nothing. Removing cap hit of pick.


I thought we were like 7 over?
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#23 » by Domejandro » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:52 am

Wolveswin wrote:
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Wolveswin wrote:Moore Jr (into TPE) and sending out #27 (cap hold) to Cavs should do it.

This would also hard cap them under the second apron, due to salary aggregation.

Aren’t wolves barely over. That dumps like 4-5M. Moore Jr into TPE for nothing. Removing cap hit of pick.

Would have to check, but I think that some websites haven't updated Anthony Edwards' salary to reflect the 5% increase because of making an All-NBA team (nor add Jaden McDaniel's unlikely incentive boost for making All-Defensive teams).
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#24 » by Wolveswin » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:08 am

Domejandro wrote:
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Domejandro wrote:This would also hard cap them under the second apron, due to salary aggregation.

Aren’t wolves barely over. That dumps like 4-5M. Moore Jr into TPE for nothing. Removing cap hit of pick.

Would have to check, but I think that some websites haven't updated Anthony Edwards' salary to reflect the 5% increase because of making an All-NBA team (nor add Jaden McDaniel's unlikely incentive boost for making All-Defensive teams).

Damn it’s expensive to have great players. Yeeehah.
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Post#25 » by shrink » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:21 am

1. I think a Naz trade is unlikely, for the reasons I posted in the other thread.

2. If Naz is available, two late 1sts, Dyson Daniels and Larry Nance is very good haul.

3. If Dyson Daniels can’t shoot three’s (31% in year one, 31% in year 2), MIN can’t use him. They need three point shooting around Gobert, and they already have the rights to the cheaper Jaylen Clark if they want a defensive PG hoping he learns to shoot 3’s.

4. Would spinning Daniels elsewhere to send MIN other assets solve the aggregation problem? (Nance and picks)

5. Again, I don’t think we’ll see a Naz trade, particularly one where the value is in future picks. If NOP was willing to pay this much for Naz, could that package go to a team with a player who is locked in a few years, and doesn’t cause MIN to take a step back in talent?
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Post#26 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:47 am

shrink wrote:1. I think a Naz trade is unlikely, for the reasons I posted in the other thread.

2. If Naz is available, two late 1sts, Dyson Daniels and Larry Nance is very good haul.

3. If Dyson Daniels can’t shoot three’s (31% in year one, 31% in year 2), MIN can’t use him. They need three point shooting around Gobert, and they already have the rights to the cheaper Jaylen Clark if they want a defensive PG hoping he learns to shoot 3’s.

4. Would spinning Daniels elsewhere to send MIN other assets solve the aggregation problem? (Nance and picks)

5. Again, I don’t think we’ll see a Naz trade, particularly one where the value is in future picks. If NOP was willing to pay this much for Naz, could that package go to a team with a player who is locked in a few years, and doesn’t cause MIN to take a step back in talent?


It seems lost on Wolves fans that the Pelicans are offering that for Allen in this trade, not Naz. Now maybe they'd offer some iteration of that for Naz instead, but he's not the rim protector Allen is and there's no way the Cavs take the entire return they get for Allen and hand it over for Naz.
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#27 » by shrink » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:47 am

jbk1234 wrote:It seems lost on Wolves fans that the Pelicans are offering that for Allen in this trade, not Naz. Now maybe they'd offer some iteration of that for Naz instead, but he's not the rim protector Allen is and there's no way the Cavs take the entire return they get for Allen and hand it over for Naz.

It seems lost on CLE fans (all CLE fans? Wow) .. that the NOP poster in the thread specifically disagreed with you earlier.

Euphonetiks wrote: I know the Pels have inquired about Allen before, but with Trajan gone and Griff building around Zion exclusively now, I think Pels FO would gamble on Naz over Allen due to the shooting. Zion-Herb-Allen lineup makes it all but impossible not to be bottom 5 in 3PA's.
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#28 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 5:14 am

shrink wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:It seems lost on Wolves fans that the Pelicans are offering that for Allen in this trade, not Naz. Now maybe they'd offer some iteration of that for Naz instead, but he's not the rim protector Allen is and there's no way the Cavs take the entire return they get for Allen and hand it over for Naz.

It seems lost on CLE fans (all CLE fans? Wow) .. that the NOP poster in the thread specifically disagreed with you earlier.

Euphonetiks wrote: I know the Pels have inquired about Allen before, but with Trajan gone and Griff building around Zion exclusively now, I think Pels FO would gamble on Naz over Allen due to the shooting. Zion-Herb-Allen lineup makes it all but impossible not to be bottom 5 in 3PA's.


I know he did. A lot of Pelicans fans think they don't need a rim protector, but every reported trade discussion, whether it be with the Hawks or Cavs, has them targeting one.
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#29 » by Euphonetiks » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:13 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
shrink wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:It seems lost on Wolves fans that the Pelicans are offering that for Allen in this trade, not Naz. Now maybe they'd offer some iteration of that for Naz instead, but he's not the rim protector Allen is and there's no way the Cavs take the entire return they get for Allen and hand it over for Naz.

It seems lost on CLE fans (all CLE fans? Wow) .. that the NOP poster in the thread specifically disagreed with you earlier.

Euphonetiks wrote: I know the Pels have inquired about Allen before, but with Trajan gone and Griff building around Zion exclusively now, I think Pels FO would gamble on Naz over Allen due to the shooting. Zion-Herb-Allen lineup makes it all but impossible not to be bottom 5 in 3PA's.


I know he did. A lot of Pelicans fans think they don't need a rim protector, but every reported trade discussion, whether it be with the Hawks or Cavs, has them targeting one.


We have been the 6th ranked defense two years running with Jonas/Larry at C. We do not NEED a rim protector. Also making false generalizations again, besides Allen, we have been targeting young mobile C's that are not known as rim protectors...Okongwu and Stewart.
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#30 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:17 pm

Euphonetiks wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
shrink wrote:It seems lost on CLE fans (all CLE fans? Wow) .. that the NOP poster in the thread specifically disagreed with you earlier.



I know he did. A lot of Pelicans fans think they don't need a rim protector, but every reported trade discussion, whether it be with the Hawks or Cavs, has them targeting one.


We have been the 6th ranked defense two years running with Jonas/Larry at C. We do not NEED a rim protector. Also making false generalizations again, besides Allen, we have been targeting young mobile C's that are not known as rim protectors...Okongwu and Stewart.


So the reports about the Hawks and Pels talks for the No. 1 pick are false?
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Re: Minnesota-New Orleans-Cleveland 

Post#31 » by Euphonetiks » Tue Jun 4, 2024 5:11 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Euphonetiks wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I know he did. A lot of Pelicans fans think they don't need a rim protector, but every reported trade discussion, whether it be with the Hawks or Cavs, has them targeting one.


We have been the 6th ranked defense two years running with Jonas/Larry at C. We do not NEED a rim protector. Also making false generalizations again, besides Allen, we have been targeting young mobile C's that are not known as rim protectors...Okongwu and Stewart.


So the reports about the Hawks and Pels talks for the No. 1 pick are false?


The 'reports' meaning the tweet from Mac? He got too much attention and shut his twitter down again, so I am not sure of the legitimacy. Mac has gotten things right about the Pels before and clearly had some connection with the Demps FO, but not sure if his contacts are still fully in the know. He has said before that his former college roommate works with the Hawks.

Regardless of the accuracy of the report, I don't really see how my saying that the Pels don't NEED a rim protector and that the Pels have looked for mobile, young, cost controlled centers would make a report about the Pels negotiating for the #1 pick false. Sarr is the type of C that would intrigue Griffin next to Zion. Sarr is an extra lenghty, hyper mobile, cost controlled C that can switch, protect the rim, handle the ball, and theoretically can space the floor at some point. 7 footers with Sarr's movement skills are extremely rare.

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