Charlotte - Chicago

[theBigLip]

IMHO, Lavine is a negative contract, and a huge organizational risk since it is so large. Chicago has to attach assets to move him and should only expect cap relief and/or another negative contract in return.

[drosestruts]

As one of the few believers it seems in Zach LaVine I personally don't like the deal - but based on rumors that we've seen reported it's hard to imagine the Bulls getting a better offer.

A side benefit for the Hornets is that trading Grant Williams is apparently they key to making the NBA Finals.

But this is what selling low on LaVine looks like, I'd predict something like this would be a huge win for the Hornets.

I've never understood the pearl-clutching over Zach's injury this year. A surgery to remove loose bone fragments is pretty common in the NBA. OG Anunoby had the same surgery on his elbow and is likely to sign a max contract this offseason with little to no concern.

Players have this surgery pretty regularly. Somehow when Zach has it it becomes some sort of death sentence.

[daoneandonly]

pairing Lavine and Lamelo just doesnt sound like a good idea. It didnt work with the Ball brother that actually plays defense, so doubt it works with this one

[Godaddycurse]

pairing Lavine and Lamelo just doesnt sound like a good idea. It didnt work with the Ball brother that actually plays defense, so doubt it works with this one

it didnt work because of injuries, when healthy they were playing great together

[psman2]

pairing Lavine and Lamelo just doesnt sound like a good idea. It didnt work with the Ball brother that actually plays defense, so doubt it works with this one

it didnt work because of injuries, when healthy they were playing great together

Only one season but that two man pairing was only +.2 (net 100). Ball with all of Chicago's other main rotation guys was a much better net rating outside of Ayo who was a rookie.

[daoneandonly]

pairing Lavine and Lamelo just doesnt sound like a good idea. It didnt work with the Ball brother that actually plays defense, so doubt it works with this one

it didnt work because of injuries, when healthy they were playing great together

Only one season but that two man pairing was only +.2 (net 100). Ball with all of Chicago's other main rotation guys was a much better net rating outside of Ayo who was a rookie.

Yea and LaMelo comes with all sorts of injury concerns himself, as does Lavine. Just too risky for Cha

[jayjaysee]

The only issue seems to be about paying Bridges?

And Chicago should want Bridges to pair with Patrick?

So couldn’t you sub some of Charlotte’s junk out and make this a Bridges sign and trade with Chicago throwing in a bit of value, while eating some bad salary? Not sure what that does to it, maybe need to dump some third team salary to make it work..

[HornetJail]

Only one basketball.

Miles has averaged 20. LaMelo has averaged 20. Miller looks like a primary scorer and averaged 17 as a rookie. I think these 3 are fine as scoring options 1-2-3, providing enough firepower so that you're paying a boatload to LaVine for a marginal uptick in overall scoring. And you're paying Miles way too much money to be your 4th option.

Grant Williams is also captain of the defense and clubhouse leader. Martin is best perimeter defender on the team.

Borh players hold positive value on their small contracts. LaVine s massive deal holds neutral value at best.

Pass.

I don't want to rule out all trades between them because the Bulls are rumored to want to move up for Donovan Clingan who could fall to 6 where Charlotte already has Mark Williams.

I consider Clingan as a top-3 talent. So I'd charge a premium to Chicago on top of pick 11.

I don't think anyone has Grant Williams as a positive value contract. I think a big reason the Hornets got the pick they did for PJ is Mavs realized they made a mistake by signing him to that deal.

they may not, but Grant Williams after the deadline was at worst giving us about 90% of what PJ was giving us. with the added benefit of actually looking like he gave a damn.

I don't expect Grant to have any super high value, but he's a decent player on MLE money.

as for the OP... I wouldn't burn down Spectrum Center if we did this, but there is always the chance that LaVine regresses post injury and just becomes Terry Rozier on about 1.5x the salary. Something I'm not 100% sure I'm ready to do with LaMelo and Mark's injury situation. If one or both of them is actually messed up long term, all we're doing is committing to a team that just wouldn't have enough. That's a judgement call nobody but the people with the medical records in hand can really make. I would make that committment anyway for a better player than LaVine, personally, more on the fence with someone of his caliber.

[psman2]

The only issue seems to be about paying Bridges?

And Chicago should want Bridges to pair with Patrick?

So couldn’t you sub some of Charlotte’s junk out and make this a Bridges sign and trade with Chicago throwing in a bit of value, while eating some bad salary? Not sure what that does to it, maybe need to dump some third team salary to make it work..

I think I would just rather keep Bridges for his production at his projected salary which is going to deflated due to his indiscretions. Charlotte gets a team option on some kind of 4/100 type of deal likely becomes an decent asset with another season of good behavior and better play. With Miller and MWill's cheap deals I think they can afford to carry both Bridges and LaVine for a few seasons. If you are going for win now in LaVine, why trade out your current 3rd best player when you can do the deal without him.

[jayjaysee]

The only issue seems to be about paying Bridges?

And Chicago should want Bridges to pair with Patrick?

So couldn’t you sub some of Charlotte’s junk out and make this a Bridges sign and trade with Chicago throwing in a bit of value, while eating some bad salary? Not sure what that does to it, maybe need to dump some third team salary to make it work..

I think I would just rather keep Bridges for his production at his projected salary which is going to deflated due to his indiscretions. Charlotte gets a team option on some kind of 4/100 type of deal likely becomes an decent asset with another season of good behavior and better play. With Miller and MWill's cheap deals I think they can afford to carry both Bridges and LaVine for a few seasons. If you are going for win now in LaVine, why trade out your current 3rd best player when you can do the deal without him.

I don’t disagree. But most of the negatives pointed out were about paying both.

My feelings on the OP is Chicago passes. Zach should not be as negative as the Charlotte group. And if he, you just keep him.

Charlotte should do any variation of their junk for LaVine.

[psman2]

The only issue seems to be about paying Bridges?

And Chicago should want Bridges to pair with Patrick?

So couldn’t you sub some of Charlotte’s junk out and make this a Bridges sign and trade with Chicago throwing in a bit of value, while eating some bad salary? Not sure what that does to it, maybe need to dump some third team salary to make it work..

I think I would just rather keep Bridges for his production at his projected salary which is going to deflated due to his indiscretions. Charlotte gets a team option on some kind of 4/100 type of deal likely becomes an decent asset with another season of good behavior and better play. With Miller and MWill's cheap deals I think they can afford to carry both Bridges and LaVine for a few seasons. If you are going for win now in LaVine, why trade out your current 3rd best player when you can do the deal without him.

I don’t disagree. But most of the negatives pointed out were about paying both.

My feelings on the OP is Chicago passes. Zach should not be as negative as the Charlotte group. And if he, you just keep him.

Charlotte should do any variation of their junk for LaVine.

If Bridges got a much bigger deal than a 4/100 or 3/90 then I could see not wanting to pay that core.

Chicago's only realistic path forward is a total tear down....give the keys to Hinkie and endure the process, just don't alter course half way through and tell Silver to shove it if he tries to interfere. I know the Chicago brass won't go for it but that is what they should do, they are in NBA purgatory and set up worse than any team in the NBA right now. So dump Lavine if you can do so without taking too much bad money, get them lotto balls, just sucks for them that the lottery odds flat now so going to need more luck than the sixers.

[Texas Chuck]

I would rather turn Williams/Martin/Micic into LaVine than pay Bridges. I don't see how you ever feel confident Bridges is going to make good decisions and I think he's never really going to be a trade asset of note on any kind of big long-term gtd contract. Not only is his off-court decision making terrible, he's a good, but flawed player.

I think as a year falls off LaVine, if you get him healthy and putting up big numbers on a bad team, you are going to find a a desperate team to give you something for him. Probably with bad contracts, but its still profit.

Probably best to do neither, but I don't expect Charlotte to be sensible about who they are and where they are at. They haven't been historically.