It's July 9th... GSW/UTH/ORL

[Texas Chuck]

First Warriors and Paul agree to push back his gtd date. He goes along because hey he might get $30M and the Warriors promise not to do wrong by him. He knows he can still get a MLE/TMLE deal even if he waits.

Warriors decide to pay Klay and keep Wiggins and go for it again, but not willing to give up assets, 2 timelines still.

Then Magic strike out on their first choices In free agency and decide not to do something silly like give Monk 4/$90M

Utah gets top 55 2nd(from GSW)
GSW gets: John Collins
ORL gets: Chris Paul/ 29 UTH 2nd/30 UTH 2nd

Utah uses 2 distant 2nds to dump all of John Collins contract. Feels like an absolute bargain.
GSW gets Collins just for being willing to pay the tax bills. Fits in theory next to Draymond
Orlando gets a vet PG. Not the solution, but not a bad one year guy to help them maximize offensive talent they have.
Paul sees Orlando as a Suns 2.0. A good young team in need of what he brings. Plus $30M

edit: maybe GSW should get 1 or both of the 2nds?

[giberish]

Tough to see that for either GS or Orlando.

I just can't see Paul at $30M at this point. He's just not going to be able to play more than 15-20 mpg.

Meanwhile I can't see GS paying that much luxury tax for a team that isn't going to be even a fringe title contender. Wiggins for Collins could make sense but just taking Collins' salary when they could just waive Paul is really tough to see.

[Texas Chuck]

Tough to see that for either GS or Orlando.

I just can't see Paul at $30M at this point. He's just not going to be able to play more than 15-20 mpg.

Meanwhile I can't see GS paying that much luxury tax for a team that isn't going to be even a fringe title contender. Wiggins for Collins could make sense but just taking Collins' salary when they could just waive Paul is really tough to see.

Oh hence the July 9th.... Orlando does this just because they whiffed in free agency. It's obviously an overpay in salary for a guy nearing the end, but I think Paul is a great guy to have show your kids how to play and he's still as competitive as anyone.

And for the Warriors I don't think they should pay Klay, but I think they are going to. And if you are going to pay him and they are still willing to pay big bills for a 2nd tier team, and they might? They've done this two timeline thing before. Keep your assets, just use your pocketbook.

It's a settle for Orlando and its a YOLO for GSW. Was trying to find the best player they could likely(and legally) get for free who fit a need.

[drosestruts]

My biggest pause upon first glance is for Golden State. I guess when you say you can see Collins playing alongside Green I'm just not sure I do, which then kind of throws off the trade for me.

The idea of using Paul to get players that balance out Golden State's roster for another go at it is one that makes some sense to me, just don't like the outcome/target being John Collins.

I get the concept behind the trade and agree I could see Orlando wanting a guard upgrade and being ok with that being a short-term player like CP3 over a long-term overspend. I also can see Golden State wanting to do something to help them now, and can see Utah being happy for the salary relief. So I guess it's more just the roster fit for Golden State that gives me pause.

Is there another team besides Utah looking to shed salary for player(s) that could help Golden State?

[giberish]

Tough to see that for either GS or Orlando.

I just can't see Paul at $30M at this point. He's just not going to be able to play more than 15-20 mpg.

Meanwhile I can't see GS paying that much luxury tax for a team that isn't going to be even a fringe title contender. Wiggins for Collins could make sense but just taking Collins' salary when they could just waive Paul is really tough to see.

Oh hence the July 9th.... Orlando does this just because they whiffed in free agency. It's obviously an overpay in salary for a guy nearing the end, but I think Paul is a great guy to have show your kids how to play and he's still as competitive as anyone.

And for the Warriors I don't think they should pay Klay, but I think they are going to. And if you are going to pay him and they are still willing to pay big bills for a 2nd tier team, and they might? They've done this two timeline thing before. Keep your assets, just use your pocketbook.

It's a settle for Orlando and its a YOLO for GSW. Was trying to find the best player they could likely(and legally) get for free who fit a need.

It depends on what you mean by 'paying Klay'. Resigning Klay to a sane salary, waiving Paul, using the MLE and having any trades be roughly salary neutral and GS is under the 1st apron at a comparatively insignificant luxury tax payment (compared to previous years). Decent chance of being out of the tax altogether depending on details.

If you mean paying Klay $40M/yr as if he was still a star than they've got some salary issues, but are also so dumb they could do anything.

In the unlikely event that they keep Paul to use as salary matching and go wildly over the tax it will be for star hunting.

[babyjax13]

I think Collins fits Golden State rather well, but his salary is obviously bad. It depends on where you think Golden State's upside is. I think they should not add salary because they aren't a piece away from competing anymore.

[Skybox]

About as depressing a summer for ORL as I can imagine…other than running it back with a re-upped Fultz

[Texas Chuck]

About as depressing a summer for ORL as I can imagine…other than running it back with a re-upped Fultz

I mean if you want, I promise you I can imagine a worse one. Let me start:

Malik Monk, 4 year contract starting at that same $30M figure.


But yeah, as stated in the OP, this is things have gone terribly wrong for Orlando.....

[jayjaysee]

If Orlando has 30 million in cap space at that point, I do this to have CP practice with Suggs for a season.

Golden State should get to force Looney and GP on Utah here. Two seconds to turn Collins into the 13-14 million guaranteed between the two is still a great deal for Utah.

Golden State can probably stay under the first apron by dumping those two and filling the bench with vet mins in this scenario. But I don’t think you go over the second apron to add Collins.

[gswhoops]

I just don't see our FO being willing to eat that level of tax hit for John Collins. And agree with babyjax that we're not a John Collins away from being a serious team.

[parsnips33]

Wow we get John Collins on my birthday!

Why does this feel like a lump of coal

[Ducklett]

I think Orlando would have to be down real bad to pay 30 million for 2 bad 2nds. What is Steve Nash doing right now? I bet we could pay less than 30 million to have him come in and train with Suggs and Black.

I feel like the Magic would have to miss on a lot and teams would have to tell the Magic they are not making trades with them for the next calendar year to blow all this cap space on that. Perhaps nothing better materializes?

[Residual-Heat]

As a last resort its fine for the Magic. Its better than bringing back Fultz. CP3 would be a nice fit in the starting line up and a great mentor for Suggs and Black especially.

[jazzfan1971]

So we get immediate cap space? This might be interesting to me if so.

[Astaluego]

I like warriors to move, but this doesn't get them anywhere in the wild west, if they really want to take advantage of Curry's last years, the target should be Lauri...

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