OKC - Washington

[nate33]

No way OKC trades Giddey for Kuzma straight up. If that's the market value for Giddey then we're keeping him.

I'm pretty sure that's the market value for Giddey.

Then we'll gladly keep him.

Separately, what picks would it realistically take to trade for Deni?

Yeah, I suspect you will keep Giddey because you're not going to get the offers you seem to think he merits.

It's not worth discussing a Deni trade. The guy just broke out and averaged 19, 9 and 4 on a .600 TS% over the second half of the season while playing elite defense at 4 positions. He is signed to an absurdly cheap deal that makes him the best non-rookie contract, non-max contract in the league. You're not going to pay what I think he is worth so there's no point in me coming up with a proposal.

[penbeast0]

The Holmgren proposal someone had up here would get Washington fans to bite though even Wiz fans thought that was an overpay (generally). OR, more probably, a draft haul equivalent . . . ie. a star value trade. And that's the rub. Washington values Avdija as a star; other fans want to trade solid roleplayer value for him.

You could try for Kuzma, Kispert, or a S&T for Tyus Jones if you want a player valued as a solid roleplayer.

[willbcocks]

No way OKC trades Giddey for Kuzma straight up. If that's the market value for Giddey then we're keeping him.

I'm pretty sure that's the market value for Giddey.

Then we'll gladly keep him.

Separately, what picks would it realistically take to trade for Deni?

As Washington, I would look for 3-4 of OKCs decent/middling first rounders + salary. Maybe one or two of these picks is expected late lottery, the other two in the teens. No need for Giddy; just give us whoever you don't want that makes the salaries work.

Given OKCs huge warchest, their need to keep salary low so they can resign their players, and Deni's amazing expected production/salary ratio and fit, I think the teams are a great trading partner and just need to iron out the picks.

[cjmcallist]

As Washington, I would look for 3-4 of OKCs decent/middling first rounders + salary. Maybe one or two of these picks is expected late lottery, the other two in the teens. No need for Giddy; just give us whoever you don't want that makes the salaries work.

Given OKCs huge warchest, their need to keep salary low so they can resign their players, and Deni's amazing expected production/salary ratio and fit, I think the teams are a great trading partner and just need to iron out the picks.

That feels a bit expensive to me, but probably workable. We have cap space so we can do the deal without you having to take on any salary.

If it better accomplishes your goals we can include #12 this year plus some seconds instead of the extra FRP? Alternatively, we'll keep 12 and send 2 other picks? Thoughts?

Opt 1
#12 + 2025 OKC FRP (top 5 prot) + 2025 MEM SRP + 2026 OKC SRP + 2027 OKC SRP

Opt 2
2025 OKC FRP (top 5 prot) + 2025 PHI FRP (top 6, top 4, top 4, SRP) + 2025 UTA FRP (top 10, top 8, exting)

[penbeast0]

As Washington, I would look for 3-4 of OKCs decent/middling first rounders + salary. Maybe one or two of these picks is expected late lottery, the other two in the teens. No need for Giddy; just give us whoever you don't want that makes the salaries work.

Given OKCs huge warchest, their need to keep salary low so they can resign their players, and Deni's amazing expected production/salary ratio and fit, I think the teams are a great trading partner and just need to iron out the picks.

That feels a bit expensive to me, but probably workable. We have cap space so we can do the deal without you having to take on any salary.

If it better accomplishes your goals we can include #12 this year plus some seconds instead of the extra FRP? Alternatively, we'll keep 12 and send 2 other picks? Thoughts?

Opt 1
#12 + 2025 OKC FRP (top 5 prot) + 2025 MEM SRP + 2026 OKC SRP + 2027 OKC SRP

Opt 2
2025 OKC FRP (top 5 prot) + 2025 PHI FRP (top 6, top 4, top 4, SRP) + 2025 UTA FRP (top 10, top 8, exting)

Option 1 is way too light. Washington already has some extra 2nds coming up, they need top end talent (like Avdija). I could see trading Avdija but it would take 3 good 1sts (best of OKC's 1sts that year) and probably Giddey (or Cason Wallace but assuming OKC would much rather trade Giddey). That way if they hit on one of the 3 they come out better while OKC has the win now player. Happy to throw a couple of 2nds back to OKC in those years so they can have young talent at the end of their bench.

[nate33]

I'm pretty sure that's the market value for Giddey.

Then we'll gladly keep him.

Separately, what picks would it realistically take to trade for Deni?

As Washington, I would look for 3-4 of OKCs decent/middling first rounders + salary. Maybe one or two of these picks is expected late lottery, the other two in the teens. No need for Giddy; just give us whoever you don't want that makes the salaries work.

Given OKCs huge warchest, their need to keep salary low so they can resign their players, and Deni's amazing expected production/salary ratio and fit, I think the teams are a great trading partner and just need to iron out the picks.

That's just the thing. OKC's warchest is no longer that impressive. It's a lot of quantity but not much quality. Utah is going to tank their way out of the protected 2025 pick they owe. The rest of their picks/swaps are from Houston, Clippers, Miami, Philly, Dallas and Denver. Maybe the Houston picks will be in the mid teens, but the rest will be in the 20's.

You're going to need to offer a lot of first round picks in the 20's to pry Deni away from the Wizards. Again, teams just don't trade really good young players for mystery picks. Young guys as good as Deni only get traded for stars (like Bridges for Durant, or Haliburton for Sabonis).