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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#21 » by toooskies » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:14 pm

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JKiddy wrote:Is Darius Garland at this time worth this much more than Bridges?

I think the answer is no. The Nets are giving up too much for Garland.

Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.



I think you're underestimating Sharpe. He's a solid young big man. 6.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and almost a block a game while averaging only 15 minutes. That's really good production for limited minutes.

I just don't value a guy who can't get more than 15 minutes on a mediocre team. That might be undervaluing him, but the Nets did it first.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#23 » by mcfly1204 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:17 am

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toooskies wrote:Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.

Not to mention that if Brooklyn drags their feet on moving Bridges, come this time next year, Mikal will be approaching the final year of his deal, and would have to be considered a flight risk, as opposed to Garland who is locked in for two additional years.


Three years.

It's not terribly important, but I was just noting that Garland is currently under contract for two years more than Bridges. Bridges is set to hit free agency after the 2025/26 season, with Garland being a free agent after 2027/28.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#24 » by Knickfan1982 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:00 am

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toooskies wrote:Are you saying Sharpe and Schroeder are worth more than #20? I think they're just salary filler here.



I think you're underestimating Sharpe. He's a solid young big man. 6.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and almost a block a game while averaging only 15 minutes. That's really good production for limited minutes.

I just don't value a guy who can't get more than 15 minutes on a mediocre team. That might be undervaluing him, but the Nets did it first.


You do know he was playing behind a guy who is a good enough center that people are going to be competing to sign him to big deal right?

I know we all have our biases but lets not stoop to drinking hateraid by the gallon. The stats are very good for limited minutes and he's young enough that you can bank on improvement.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#25 » by toooskies » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:36 pm

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I think you're underestimating Sharpe. He's a solid young big man. 6.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and almost a block a game while averaging only 15 minutes. That's really good production for limited minutes.

I just don't value a guy who can't get more than 15 minutes on a mediocre team. That might be undervaluing him, but the Nets did it first.


You do know he was playing behind a guy who is a good enough center that people are going to be competing to sign him to big deal right?

I know we all have our biases but lets not stoop to drinking hateraid by the gallon. The stats are very good for limited minutes and he's young enough that you can bank on improvement.

If Sharpe is a starter-level player then Brooklyn probably should have moved Claxton at the deadline. Or experimented more with playing them together, like the Cavs do.

I'd understand if BRK didn't want to trade Sharpe, particularly because they may lose Claxton. I just don't value him and Schroeder more than #20.
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Post#26 » by JKiddy » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:35 pm

Sharpe is much better than you know. Watch him this season when he gets a few more minutes per game. Even Knicks fans know this.
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Post#27 » by tidho » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:01 pm

I think this is perfectly reasonable value for CLE. Seems like some question if it would hamper the 'Mitchell show', but seems like this would balance that out and add a completely different way to initiate offense. Not a bad thing.
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Post#28 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:15 pm

tidho wrote:I think this is perfectly reasonable value for CLE. Seems like some question if it would hamper the 'Mitchell show', but seems like this would balance that out and add a completely different way to initiate offense. Not a bad thing.


Randle isn’t going to be initiating anything other than his own shot while occupying space needed by Mobley and Mitchell. There's also a pretty large body of evidence that playoff Randle ain't it. I'm flabbergasted that there are Cavs fans who would do this.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#29 » by JKiddy » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:38 pm

jbk what is the word on the street regarding Mitchell's signing an extension or trade request?
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Post#30 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:51 pm

JKiddy wrote:jbk what is the word on the street regarding Mitchell's signing an extension or trade request?


They currently expect him to sign an extension, but there's always the chance he changes his mind, which is why I'd be surprised if there are any pre-draft trades of consequence. The very last thing you want to do is make a trade and have it be the deciding factor in Mitchell leaving.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#31 » by tidho » Tue Jun 4, 2024 7:34 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
tidho wrote:I think this is perfectly reasonable value for CLE. Seems like some question if it would hamper the 'Mitchell show', but seems like this would balance that out and add a completely different way to initiate offense. Not a bad thing.


Randle isn’t going to be initiating anything other than his own shot while occupying space needed by Mobley and Mitchell. There's also a pretty large body of evidence that playoff Randle ain't it. I'm flabbergasted that there are Cavs fans who would do this.


so you're saying Randle is tall-Mitchell?, lol
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Post#32 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 1:45 am

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:I just don't value a guy who can't get more than 15 minutes on a mediocre team. That might be undervaluing him, but the Nets did it first.


You do know he was playing behind a guy who is a good enough center that people are going to be competing to sign him to big deal right?

I know we all have our biases but lets not stoop to drinking hateraid by the gallon. The stats are very good for limited minutes and he's young enough that you can bank on improvement.

If Sharpe is a starter-level player then Brooklyn probably should have moved Claxton at the deadline. Or experimented more with playing them together, like the Cavs do.

I'd understand if BRK didn't want to trade Sharpe, particularly because they may lose Claxton. I just don't value him and Schroeder more than #20.


This is a straw man argument. No one argued that Sharpe is a starting caliber center good enough to give Brooklyn the freedom to trade Claxon. What I said is that he's young, proven to be productive in limited minutes and thus not the mere throw in you treat him as. Please stick to the actual argument.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#33 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 1:49 am

jbk1234 wrote:
tidho wrote:I think this is perfectly reasonable value for CLE. Seems like some question if it would hamper the 'Mitchell show', but seems like this would balance that out and add a completely different way to initiate offense. Not a bad thing.


Randle isn’t going to be initiating anything other than his own shot while occupying space needed by Mobley and Mitchell. There's also a pretty large body of evidence that playoff Randle ain't it. I'm flabbergasted that there are Cavs fans who would do this.


I hope you realize how funny this statement reads considering the guy you consider a ball hog averaged almost as many assists per game over the course of his career as Mitchell despite playing at power forward.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#34 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 5, 2024 4:16 am

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You do know he was playing behind a guy who is a good enough center that people are going to be competing to sign him to big deal right?

I know we all have our biases but lets not stoop to drinking hateraid by the gallon. The stats are very good for limited minutes and he's young enough that you can bank on improvement.

If Sharpe is a starter-level player then Brooklyn probably should have moved Claxton at the deadline. Or experimented more with playing them together, like the Cavs do.

I'd understand if BRK didn't want to trade Sharpe, particularly because they may lose Claxton. I just don't value him and Schroeder more than #20.


This is a straw man argument. No one argued that Sharpe is a starting caliber center good enough to give Brooklyn the freedom to trade Claxon. What I said is that he's young, proven to be productive in limited minutes and thus not the mere throw in you treat him as. Please stick to the actual argument.

Are you valuing Sharpe as worth more than #20? I'm not. That's all.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#35 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 2:57 am

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:If Sharpe is a starter-level player then Brooklyn probably should have moved Claxton at the deadline. Or experimented more with playing them together, like the Cavs do.

I'd understand if BRK didn't want to trade Sharpe, particularly because they may lose Claxton. I just don't value him and Schroeder more than #20.


This is a straw man argument. No one argued that Sharpe is a starting caliber center good enough to give Brooklyn the freedom to trade Claxon. What I said is that he's young, proven to be productive in limited minutes and thus not the mere throw in you treat him as. Please stick to the actual argument.

Are you valuing Sharpe as worth more than #20? I'm not. That's all.



No its not. You said he was salary filler.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#36 » by toooskies » Thu Jun 6, 2024 3:52 am

Knickfan1982 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
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This is a straw man argument. No one argued that Sharpe is a starting caliber center good enough to give Brooklyn the freedom to trade Claxon. What I said is that he's young, proven to be productive in limited minutes and thus not the mere throw in you treat him as. Please stick to the actual argument.

Are you valuing Sharpe as worth more than #20? I'm not. That's all.


No its not. You said he was salary filler.

I can walk that back a bit. But I still have him less than #20.
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Re: Cavs/Knicks/Nets 

Post#37 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 11:21 am

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:Are you valuing Sharpe as worth more than #20? I'm not. That's all.


No its not. You said he was salary filler.

I can walk that back a bit. But I still have him less than #20.


Fair enough
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