Cavs/Raptors Stretch Bigs

[MessiahUjiri]

If this is all it costs to get Olynyk I'd happily offer Looney (expiring) and 2 2nds for him.

(edit: for CBA reasons it would have to be either Looney/GP2/2nds for Olynyk/McDaniels or Looney/Moody for Olynyk)

I think the OP is underselling Olynyk.

If there was a KO deal, it’s likely to be at the deadline, since the Raps made a big deal about bringing him “home”, and need to give him some runway. It’s necessary respect for future FA signings.


At the deadline, I can totally see an offer of Looney/Moody/2nd. Or maybe the OKC fans were suggesting an Olynyk-Giddey swap.

[oldncreaky]

If this is all it costs to get Olynyk I'd happily offer Looney (expiring) and 2 2nds for him.

(edit: for CBA reasons it would have to be either Looney/GP2/2nds for Olynyk/McDaniels or Looney/Moody for Olynyk)

I think the OP is underselling Olynyk.

If there was a KO deal, it’s likely to be at the deadline, since the Raps made a big deal about bringing him “home”, and need to give him some runway. It’s necessary respect for future FA signings.


At the deadline, I can totally see an offer of Looney/Moody/2nd. Or maybe the OKC fans were suggesting an Olynyk-Giddey swap.

I can't see Olynyk getting traded at the deadline. If Toronto is competing for the play-in, I doubt they will trade their first big off the bench. If Toronto isn't good enough to compete for the play-in, vets on TOR will have less value, and I don't see much of a market for a 33 year old bench piece with 1.5 seasons to run on a 2/25 deal

(I think Olynyk is now a tad overpaid based on on-court production. He may be worth it to TOR for fit/culture/etc., but I doubt a playoff team is going to look to acquire him, especially as he is not expiring)

I think sometimes bench players age out of being trade assets, and I think this is Olynyk's reality

[Godaddycurse]

If this is all it costs to get Olynyk I'd happily offer Looney (expiring) and 2 2nds for him.

(edit: for CBA reasons it would have to be either Looney/GP2/2nds for Olynyk/McDaniels or Looney/Moody for Olynyk)

I think the OP is underselling Olynyk.

If there was a KO deal, it’s likely to be at the deadline, since the Raps made a big deal about bringing him “home”, and need to give him some runway. It’s necessary respect for future FA signings.


At the deadline, I can totally see an offer of Looney/Moody/2nd. Or maybe the OKC fans were suggesting an Olynyk-Giddey swap.

I can't see Olynyk getting traded at the deadline. If Toronto is competing for the play-in, I doubt they will trade their first big off the bench. If Toronto isn't good enough to compete for the play-in, vets on TOR will have less value, and I don't see much of a market for a 33 year old bench piece with 1.5 seasons to run on a 2/25 deal

(I think Olynyk is now a tad overpaid based on on-court production. He may be worth it to TOR for fit/culture/etc., but I doubt a playoff team is going to look to acquire him, especially as he is not expiring)

I think sometimes bench players age out of being trade assets, and I think this is Olynyk's reality

his skillset as a stretch big is pretty coveted. poor man's version of WCJ so i think we can always trade him for 2nds and expiring

[MessiahUjiri]

If this is all it costs to get Olynyk I'd happily offer Looney (expiring) and 2 2nds for him.

(edit: for CBA reasons it would have to be either Looney/GP2/2nds for Olynyk/McDaniels or Looney/Moody for Olynyk)

I think the OP is underselling Olynyk.

If there was a KO deal, it’s likely to be at the deadline, since the Raps made a big deal about bringing him “home”, and need to give him some runway. It’s necessary respect for future FA signings.


At the deadline, I can totally see an offer of Looney/Moody/2nd. Or maybe the OKC fans were suggesting an Olynyk-Giddey swap.

I can't see Olynyk getting traded at the deadline. If Toronto is competing for the play-in, I doubt they will trade their first big off the bench. If Toronto isn't good enough to compete for the play-in, vets on TOR will have less value, and I don't see much of a market for a 33 year old bench piece with 1.5 seasons to run on a 2/25 deal

(I think Olynyk is now a tad overpaid based on on-court production. He may be worth it to TOR for fit/culture/etc., but I doubt a playoff team is going to look to acquire him, especially as he is not expiring)

I think sometimes bench players age out of being trade assets, and I think this is Olynyk's reality

Based on Masai's end of the season press comment, they will start the season with the core guys to 'give them a chance'...and then they will pivot. He's not interested in the play-ins.

Which means a pivot to tank, mid way through the season. Kind of like last season. I'm not the biggest fan of this, but I see why a FO wants to operate this way. Toronto is too good to get a bottom 5 ranking anyways, so give some burn to the young guys, get some trade values up, and then make a move after December.

Olynyk/Poeltl are both much older than the core guys, so both probably get dangled as trade bait to see what shakes out.

[oldncreaky]

I think the OP is underselling Olynyk.

If there was a KO deal, it’s likely to be at the deadline, since the Raps made a big deal about bringing him “home”, and need to give him some runway. It’s necessary respect for future FA signings.


At the deadline, I can totally see an offer of Looney/Moody/2nd. Or maybe the OKC fans were suggesting an Olynyk-Giddey swap.

I can't see Olynyk getting traded at the deadline. If Toronto is competing for the play-in, I doubt they will trade their first big off the bench. If Toronto isn't good enough to compete for the play-in, vets on TOR will have less value, and I don't see much of a market for a 33 year old bench piece with 1.5 seasons to run on a 2/25 deal

(I think Olynyk is now a tad overpaid based on on-court production. He may be worth it to TOR for fit/culture/etc., but I doubt a playoff team is going to look to acquire him, especially as he is not expiring)

I think sometimes bench players age out of being trade assets, and I think this is Olynyk's reality

his skillset as a stretch big is pretty coveted. poor man's version of WCJ so i think we can always trade him for 2nds and expiring

Maybe??

Part of it is just seeing him play a season+ as a starter for Detroit, and then seeing him a couple seasons later playing for Toronto after the deadline. I think he declined. To my eyes, his level of play dropped from "7th/8th man on a decent playoff team" when he was with Detroit to "10th man break glass in case of emergency" at the end of last season.

I don't see a playoff team trading value for him when he makes a NTMLE level salary. But I could be wrong -- it's happened once or twice before!

[Skybox]

I think TOR really wanted Olynyk. They got him, extended him quickly and see him as a great fit going forward. It's unlikely that his trade value would exceed his value to TOR.

I'm sure they'd wrap him into a bigger package if a significant opportunity presented itself...but I don't see something this insignificant being interesting to TOR.