What can DET get with cap space only?

[JennetteMcCurdy]

If the Mavs want a chance to retain DJJ, they will have to unload THJ, I guess pay 2FRP (similar J.Harris trade)

Detroit actually took Joe Harris (worse player, higher salary) for 2 meh SRPs

You must mean 2 SRPs with THJ. I'd want a little more, but 2 FRPs would be way too much

This one does make sense. The main benefit for Dallas is keeping DJJ on a full mid level deal. And for Detroit, they get a vet who fits a roster need - shooting - on a one year deal. Detroit wouldn't be able to land a player like Hardaway on a 1 year, $17MM deal in free agency.

Hardaway and a 2025 FRP for “future considerations”? Detroit should do it in a second. This is assuming Detroit tanks another year. Plus, that $17 million expiring may come in handy at the deadline…..

[Astaluego]

Any information on whether the interest in T.Harris is still valid?

[oldncreaky]

What type & range value you looking for ?. As you know picks & projections are subjective. I wouldn't make it unprotected though, I would have some luck protection on the pick because Ivey to me is bit like NAW. There's potential there but I'm probably only trading for that potential & Detroit are trading him looking to get out before the potential is exposed, otherwise he would be considered a keeper, where you're okay for a pick back.

NO's have Bucks FRP's where Middleton, Dame will most likely be gone or in decline but far out.

Lakers FRP in 25 where they were play in fully healthy, could go either way but closer.

NO's own all their picks but 25 could be valuable if they trade BI & Zion gets injured.

I agree asking for any unprotected pick would be too much for the enigmatic Ivey

I think a pick in the teens in the 2025 draft might work. I don't really expect either NOP or LAL to fall into the lottery, and if they do, they're probably late lottery anyway, with small odds of getting a top 4 pick -- but I agree NOP shouldn't trade away the small chance that they get a top 4 pick in that coveted draft. With NOP having 2 picks in the 2025 draft, the wording could be something like:

Detroit gets the better of the NOP and LAL 2025 picks if both picks fall below pick 4. If either pick is in the top 4, DET gets the second best of the NOP and LAL 2025 picks.

I think there's a good chance for both picks to be lottery. The teams that have ascended in the West are not old but young & improving, even Houston who missed & Spurs aren't far from making a jump either. NO's trading BI, run a good risk of Zion not being available. Part reason I've been pushing on the NO's board for a soft reset so I would probably want to hold onto control of the draft if NO's have to pivot.

I'd do the Lakers pick with top 4 protection. Though I think Lakers could get edged out of a PI scenario. I'd be basically protecting that projection from the luck factor. I have the Lakers pick in the 8-14 range projected.

If you think that's 2 risky on Detroit's end maybe something along the lines of a deferral option?

I think we're pretty close in value, just a question of how to word the protections. LAL with top-4 protection works. Only quibble on my part is if NOP keeps a top 4 LAL pick, I want NOP to convey to DET it's second best 2025 pick. I could live with a deferral, or maybe the MIL pick instead, if the LAL happens to hit top 5. Minor diffrences.

Good discussion/debate -- thanks

[oldncreaky]

Any information on whether the interest in T.Harris is still valid?

I think most Pistons fans are hoping that the interest faded/disappeared when Weaver was fired as GM

[Whole Truth]

I agree asking for any unprotected pick would be too much for the enigmatic Ivey

I think a pick in the teens in the 2025 draft might work. I don't really expect either NOP or LAL to fall into the lottery, and if they do, they're probably late lottery anyway, with small odds of getting a top 4 pick -- but I agree NOP shouldn't trade away the small chance that they get a top 4 pick in that coveted draft. With NOP having 2 picks in the 2025 draft, the wording could be something like:

Detroit gets the better of the NOP and LAL 2025 picks if both picks fall below pick 4. If either pick is in the top 4, DET gets the second best of the NOP and LAL 2025 picks.

I think there's a good chance for both picks to be lottery. The teams that have ascended in the West are not old but young & improving, even Houston who missed & Spurs aren't far from making a jump either. NO's trading BI, run a good risk of Zion not being available. Part reason I've been pushing on the NO's board for a soft reset so I would probably want to hold onto control of the draft if NO's have to pivot.

I'd do the Lakers pick with top 4 protection. Though I think Lakers could get edged out of a PI scenario. I'd be basically protecting that projection from the luck factor. I have the Lakers pick in the 8-14 range projected.

If you think that's 2 risky on Detroit's end maybe something along the lines of a deferral option?

I think we're pretty close in value, just a question of how to word the protections. LAL with top-4 protection works. Only quibble on my part is if NOP keeps a top 4 LAL pick, I want NOP to convey to DET it's second best 2025 pick. I could live with a deferral, or maybe the MIL pick instead, if the LAL happens to hit top 5. Minor diffrences.

Good discussion/debate -- thanks

No problem.

I don't mind conveying the worse of the 2 picks but I don't think Ivey is worth a top x pick in the 25 draft when we have Hawkins & Daniels developing. The 2nd pick would have to have a limit specification as well in the case both picks land top X.

[NatiboyB]

I beleive they could absorb Zach Lavine and still have money left over to go after a center and resign fonteccio.

Please no. Assets need to be attached to Lavine.

understood I was just suggesting if they valued what Lavine brings they could be a salary dump location for him.

[eitanr]

What realistically would they get that is a better fit than a spacing wing like Huerter? Huerter is crazy underrated around these parts.

he had a down year punctuated by a season ending shoulder injury. pistons also need 2 way wings, they tried and failed with offense only shooters like harris/bogey

This isn't an old Joe Harris we're talking about...

Huerter is 25 years old
Positive VORP
Combined 60%+ 3 point att rate with 56%+ TS%
14%+ assist rate for a wing
Not a defensive savant, but not a sieve either (nearly 0 net defensive rating in his career)

I don't know...I take my chances here.

Agreed that 2-way wings would be nice, but not exactly easy to find...Huerter at least gives Cade space to be successful.

Even in a worst case scenario for Detroit, I still do a Kings absorption concept.

More specifcally I eat Huerter and Barnes, should get back some kind of asset, have enough cap space to round out my rotation (smaller signings like Jalen Smith, Waterford or Melton pending on draft direction).

If Kings add the 13th pick, this becomes more obvious.

PF H. Barnes / I. Stewart
SF A. Thompson/ Q. Grimes
C J. Duren/ J. Smith
SG K. Huerter / J. Ivey
PG C. Cunningham / R. Sheppard

[theBigLip]

he had a down year punctuated by a season ending shoulder injury. pistons also need 2 way wings, they tried and failed with offense only shooters like harris/bogey

This isn't an old Joe Harris we're talking about...

Huerter is 25 years old
Positive VORP
Combined 60%+ 3 point att rate with 56%+ TS%
14%+ assist rate for a wing
Not a defensive savant, but not a sieve either (nearly 0 net defensive rating in his career)

I don't know...I take my chances here.

Agreed that 2-way wings would be nice, but not exactly easy to find...Huerter at least gives Cade space to be successful.

Even in a worst case scenario for Detroit, I still do a Kings absorption concept.

More specifcally I eat Huerter and Barnes, should get back some kind of asset, have enough cap space to round out my rotation (smaller signings like Jalen Smith, Waterford or Melton pending on draft direction).

If Kings add the 13th pick, this becomes more obvious.

PF H. Barnes / I. Stewart
SF A. Thompson/ Q. Grimes
C J. Duren/ J. Smith
SG K. Huerter / J. Ivey
PG C. Cunningham / R. Sheppard

Pistons cap space gives them 3 quality players. If 2 of those are Barnes and Huerter, and for multiple years, I don’t think that’s a great offseason. Maybe a backup plan.

[eitanr]

This isn't an old Joe Harris we're talking about...

Huerter is 25 years old
Positive VORP
Combined 60%+ 3 point att rate with 56%+ TS%
14%+ assist rate for a wing
Not a defensive savant, but not a sieve either (nearly 0 net defensive rating in his career)

I don't know...I take my chances here.

Agreed that 2-way wings would be nice, but not exactly easy to find...Huerter at least gives Cade space to be successful.

Even in a worst case scenario for Detroit, I still do a Kings absorption concept.

More specifcally I eat Huerter and Barnes, should get back some kind of asset, have enough cap space to round out my rotation (smaller signings like Jalen Smith, Waterford or Melton pending on draft direction).

If Kings add the 13th pick, this becomes more obvious.

PF H. Barnes / I. Stewart
SF A. Thompson/ Q. Grimes
C J. Duren/ J. Smith
SG K. Huerter / J. Ivey
PG C. Cunningham / R. Sheppard

Pistons cap space gives them 3 quality players. If 2 of those are Barnes and Huerter, and for multiple years, I don’t think that’s a great offseason. Maybe a backup plan.

Who are the 3 players? And would you sign them for better deals and are they better fits than Barnes/Huerter + asset?

The FA options are limited and risky.

[theBigLip]

Even in a worst case scenario for Detroit, I still do a Kings absorption concept.

More specifcally I eat Huerter and Barnes, should get back some kind of asset, have enough cap space to round out my rotation (smaller signings like Jalen Smith, Waterford or Melton pending on draft direction).

If Kings add the 13th pick, this becomes more obvious.

PF H. Barnes / I. Stewart
SF A. Thompson/ Q. Grimes
C J. Duren/ J. Smith
SG K. Huerter / J. Ivey
PG C. Cunningham / R. Sheppard

Pistons cap space gives them 3 quality players. If 2 of those are Barnes and Huerter, and for multiple years, I don’t think that’s a great offseason. Maybe a backup plan.

Who are the 3 players? And would you sign them for better deals and are they better fits than Barnes/Huerter + asset?

The FA options are limited and risky.

Issue #1 - Pistons would also be using NEXT year’s cap space, so it’s just not available free agents this year
Issue #2 - Barnes could help but is also a negative contract. Oubre would be a less expensive alternative.
Issue #3 - How much better is Huerter than Ivey? Is it worth paying 3 times as much for Huerter?

[BlazersBroncos]

If Barnes and Huerter basically for free is a bad offseason then IDK what DET expects to be a good offseason. Those are 2 quality vets that play roles that would help win games but are not usage high enough to really stun the development of any of the youngsters.

Guys of their caliber on the FA market will cost more and come with more years IMO.

[theBigLip]

If Barnes and Huerter basically for free is a bad offseason then IDK what DET expects to be a good offseason. Those are 2 quality vets that play roles that would help win games but are not usage high enough to really stun the development of any of the youngsters.

Guys of their caliber on the FA market will cost more and come with more years IMO.

Huerter would be able to get his contract, not so sure if that’s true with Barnes. He’s probably more of an MLE level contract on the open market.

Again, I’d do it, but I’d hope it’s not Plan A.

[eitanr]

If Barnes and Huerter basically for free is a bad offseason then IDK what DET expects to be a good offseason. Those are 2 quality vets that play roles that would help win games but are not usage high enough to really stun the development of any of the youngsters.

Guys of their caliber on the FA market will cost more and come with more years IMO.

Huerter would be able to get his contract, not so sure if that’s true with Barnes. He’s probably more of an MLE level contract on the open market.

Again, I’d do it, but I’d hope it’s not Plan A.

To clarify, I tihnk it's the best cap absorption strategy and depends on the asset coming back to Detroit. At minimum you could have Kings throw in 13th pick...which goes to NYK....and the 24th pick comes back to Detroit, 23rd pick goes to Kings.

Or a future diminshing protected first