Towns to the Knicks: 3 team with Toronto, version 2

[islandboy53]

So, the last version of this trade missed issues around aggregating salaries. This proposal should remedy that.

This is a draft night trade, meaning we're in this salary year, when neither Minnesota nor New York is a 2nd apron team, and both can aggregate salaries. In fact, both are hard capped at the 1st apron, by about $6 million and $7 million respectively, so they can take back some extra salary. We're also using current year salaries, meaning it's challenging to include Randle. Also, I've attempted to adjust this to reflect concerns about value coming to Minnesota and Toronto.

New York: in - Towns
: out - Bogdanovic, Robinson, McBride, #24, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st

Minnesota: in - Brown, Robinson, McBride, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st
: out - Towns

Toronto: in - Bogdanovic, #24
: out - Brown

The Knicks retain Randle and get their 3rd star for a relatively modest cost. Minnesota replaces Towns with depth and versatility in Robinson, Brown and McBride, while adding salary flexibility and draft assets. Toronto is compensated for Brown and for facilitating the deal.

[Colbinii]

So again, why is Toronto here other than sucking value?
I think #24 should be 1 second.

Seems terrible for Minnesota. Get significantly worse next year, are no longer title contenders, and get mediocre picks in 2-3 years time?

[Colbinii]

Back to the Island on this one

[MessiahUjiri]

Bruce Brown feels like an odd piece here, tbh.

Wouldn’t Minny just take Randle? They still want to compete, and Randle’s offense would be a good combo with Goberts defense

[MNRunLeft]

Don’t see the Wolves going in a direction that makes them worse now plus doesn’t even net them any meaningful long term assets, everyone would expect the 2025 Bucks and Knicks picks to be at best in the early 20s. Classic nickels for a dollar deal that rarely makes any sense.

[Rockazoids]

So, the last version of this trade missed issues around aggregating salaries. This proposal should remedy that.

This is a draft night trade, meaning we're in this salary year, when neither Minnesota nor New York is a 2nd apron team, and both can aggregate salaries. In fact, both are hard capped at the 1st apron, by about $6 million and $7 million respectively, so they can take back some extra salary. We're also using current year salaries, meaning it's challenging to include Randle. Also, I've attempted to adjust this to reflect concerns about value coming to Minnesota and Toronto.

New York: in - Towns
: out - Bogdanovic, Robinson, McBride, #24, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st

Minnesota: in - Brown, Robinson, McBride, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st
: out - Towns

Toronto: in - Bogdanovic, #24
: out - Brown

The Knicks retain Randle and get their 3rd star for a relatively modest cost. Minnesota replaces Towns with depth and versatility in Robinson, Brown and McBride, while adding salary flexibility and draft assets. Toronto is compensated for Brown and for facilitating the deal.

I don't think there is a way that NY is going to trade 5 1st, Robinson, McBride & Bogd. expiring deal for the right to be on the
hook for more than $221 M for KAT. They gave him that deal they can live with it.

And the part about Bogd. & PK24 for Brown makes me laugh.

[wolves_89]

For Minnesota the deal makes them considerably worse in the short term without providing much long term upside. This should be a pretty easy no for the Wolves. As far as Brown, the only reason he seems to be included is so that Toronto can steal value.

[Jermaine OBosh]

Randle, Bogdanovic + picks for Kat would be a better deal.

Moneywise it's a perfect match. Randle may not be as good as KAT but he is good enough. Bogdanovic is a good replacement for Kyle Anderson and he is on an expiry contract. Minnesota will save money next year.

The Raptors don't need to be part of this deal.

[islandboy53]

So again, why is Toronto here other than sucking value?
I think #24 should be 1 second.

Seems terrible for Minnesota. Get significantly worse next year, are no longer title contenders, and get mediocre picks in 2-3 years time?

Assuming the Knicks would like to retain Randle, sending Toronto one of their 24 1sts to make Brown a major chunk of the matching salary seems preferable to sending Hart for that purpose, for example. I trust we agree that Minnesota doesn't want Bojan. It may be that Minnesota would prefer to have Randle, and the Knicks are willing to send him. That can be done with Randle & Robinson and picks as deemed appropriate for Towns, as long as it's before year end. But, for purposes of this proposal, I'm assuming that the Knicks want to retain Randle, and the Wolves would like to have the advantages that Brown brings - on court versatility and a mid sized expiring salary that's useful for trade deadline moves or simply to provide flexibility next year. At the same time, Reid is more than ready to step into Towns's role, while Robinson fills the big depth, McBride brings shooting and defence, and Brown brings defence, playmaking and versatility. In short, because Reid is ready for a bigger role, these 3 solid rotation players could actually make the Wolves better next year. You can quibble over the picks, but 25, 26 and 27 1sts are the next 3 drafts, and should be very useful.

I understand you don't like to see Toronto getting value, but try thinking of it as 2 deals. First, the Knicks get Towns for Robinson, McBride and 3 1sts. That's a pretty good deal, no? To make that happen, though, they need a second deal, sending Bojan and one of their 24 1sts to Toronto for Brown. Not great, from your perspective, but necessary for the 1st.

[islandboy53]

So, the last version of this trade missed issues around aggregating salaries. This proposal should remedy that.

This is a draft night trade, meaning we're in this salary year, when neither Minnesota nor New York is a 2nd apron team, and both can aggregate salaries. In fact, both are hard capped at the 1st apron, by about $6 million and $7 million respectively, so they can take back some extra salary. We're also using current year salaries, meaning it's challenging to include Randle. Also, I've attempted to adjust this to reflect concerns about value coming to Minnesota and Toronto.

New York: in - Towns
: out - Bogdanovic, Robinson, McBride, #24, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st

Minnesota: in - Brown, Robinson, McBride, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st
: out - Towns

Toronto: in - Bogdanovic, #24
: out - Brown

The Knicks retain Randle and get their 3rd star for a relatively modest cost. Minnesota replaces Towns with depth and versatility in Robinson, Brown and McBride, while adding salary flexibility and draft assets. Toronto is compensated for Brown and for facilitating the deal.

I don't think there is a way that NY is going to trade 5 1st, Robinson, McBride & Bogd. expiring deal for the right to be on the
hook for more than $221 M for KAT. They gave him that deal they can live with it.

And the part about Bogd. & PK24 for Brown makes me laugh.

It's 4 1sts, not 5, and apparently they're not good enough for the Wolves folks out there. And it may be that the Knicks don't actually want Towns. Glad I could provide you a chuckle, it's what I live for.

[giberish]

Seems quite bad for Minny. Robinson can't play with Gobert at all so even if he's healthy he's not helping much. There's also no reason for Toronto to be involved. I'd argue Bogs is at least as likely to be useful to Minny as Brown would be. Certainly no reason to lose a 1st for the swap.

To salvage this you'd need a 3rd team where Robinson makes sense giving up a notable perimeter player (depending on who some of the draft assets could go to the 3rd team.

[Knickfan1982]

So, the last version of this trade missed issues around aggregating salaries. This proposal should remedy that.

This is a draft night trade, meaning we're in this salary year, when neither Minnesota nor New York is a 2nd apron team, and both can aggregate salaries. In fact, both are hard capped at the 1st apron, by about $6 million and $7 million respectively, so they can take back some extra salary. We're also using current year salaries, meaning it's challenging to include Randle. Also, I've attempted to adjust this to reflect concerns about value coming to Minnesota and Toronto.

New York: in - Towns
: out - Bogdanovic, Robinson, McBride, #24, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st

Minnesota: in - Brown, Robinson, McBride, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st
: out - Towns

Toronto: in - Bogdanovic, #24
: out - Brown

The Knicks retain Randle and get their 3rd star for a relatively modest cost. Minnesota replaces Towns with depth and versatility in Robinson, Brown and McBride, while adding salary flexibility and draft assets. Toronto is compensated for Brown and for facilitating the deal.

Back to the drawing board here.

Toronto has no real justifable reason to be in the deal. They are just stealing value.

Minnesota's return makes no sense. Some good pieces here but would make the deal much less complicated by replacing Robinson and McBride with Randle. Robinson makes no sense in Minnesota with Gobert there.

[islandboy53]

So, the last version of this trade missed issues around aggregating salaries. This proposal should remedy that.

This is a draft night trade, meaning we're in this salary year, when neither Minnesota nor New York is a 2nd apron team, and both can aggregate salaries. In fact, both are hard capped at the 1st apron, by about $6 million and $7 million respectively, so they can take back some extra salary. We're also using current year salaries, meaning it's challenging to include Randle. Also, I've attempted to adjust this to reflect concerns about value coming to Minnesota and Toronto.

New York: in - Towns
: out - Bogdanovic, Robinson, McBride, #24, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st

Minnesota: in - Brown, Robinson, McBride, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st
: out - Towns

Toronto: in - Bogdanovic, #24
: out - Brown

The Knicks retain Randle and get their 3rd star for a relatively modest cost. Minnesota replaces Towns with depth and versatility in Robinson, Brown and McBride, while adding salary flexibility and draft assets. Toronto is compensated for Brown and for facilitating the deal.

Back to the drawing board here.

Toronto has no real justifable reason to be in the deal. They are just stealing value.

Minnesota's return makes no sense. Some good pieces here but would make the deal much less complicated by replacing Robinson and McBride with Randle. Robinson makes no sense in Minnesota with Gobert there.

Okay. Let's say the main part of the trade has to be Randle for Towns. If we do that in the new salary year, after June 30th, Minnesota is above the 2nd apron, and cannot aggregate salaries or take back more salary than it sends out. Randle plus Bojan is $600 more than Towns, meaning the Knicks would have to use Hart, or DiVincenzo, which seems like more than they would want to give up for Towns. But let's say they send Randle and Hart. They'll then take back more salary than they send out, which will hard cap them at the 1st apron. That, in turn, makes it virtually impossible to resign Anunoby, which seems like a non starter. In short, a trade after June 30th needs a 3rd team. So, try this.

New York: in - Towns, Freeman-Liberty
: out - Randle, Bogdanovic, McBride, 25 Mil 1st, 27 NY 1st, 25 Bkn 2nd

Minnesota: in - Randle, McBride, Boucher, 25 Mil 1st, 27 NY 1st
: out - Towns

Toronto: in - Bogdanovic, 25 Bkn 2nd
: out - Boucher, Freeman-Liberty

It's worth noting that this proposal sees Toronto take on $6 million next year, which saves Minnesota and New York about $3 million each. Boucher has nominal value as a depth big, but his $11 million expiring can be attached to one of the Knick picks to bring back a more useful piece at the TDL. Freeman-Liberty is included for salary matching. We can discuss the picks.

[shrink]

While I haven’t seen anything but years of dislike of Randle-KAT trades from MIN posters, I wanted to say that I really respect the way you constructed the last trade. It is well-designed, considers the CBA and the directions of the team. Nice job, islandboy.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Why does Minny want to trade KAT to begin with? If they do there I would think Utah or OKC would be a better trade partner as they can offer more picks and Utah would likely unload all their picks for KAT to get their star player. If Utah could get KAT to go with Lauri and Sexton, which is the equivalent of NYK refusing to move Randle, they suddenly become an interesting team and make the playoffs. If the goal is just to get KAT to NYK then I'm not sure how that is realistic given their lack of assets unless an OG S&T is involved.