Utah out: John Collins, #29, #32, and a future 2nd
Utah in: Hachimura, JHS, Merrill, KBD
LA out: Hachimura, JHS, rights to swap with 17, and future swap top 3 protected
LA in: Allen
Cleveland out: Garland, Allen, and Merrill
Cleveland in: Cam Johnson, Collins, #29, #32, Lakers swaps, and a 27 PHX 1st
Brooklyn out: Cam Johnson, KBD, and a PHX 1st
Brooklyn in: Garland
Why for Utah: Turn Collins into lesser pieces
Why for LA: They need a C desperately
Why for Cleveland: They need a starting SF, Collins will fit in with Mobley, and they recoup assets to make another trade for improvement
Why for Brooklyn: PGOTF
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Yeah but... this isn't what Cleveland needs.
LakerLegend wrote:LeBron was literally more athletic at 35 than he was at 20
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Iwasawitness wrote:Yeah but... this isn't what Cleveland needs.
They need better fitting pieces at a low cost while gaining assets.
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This seems really awful for Cleveland
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cucad8 wrote:This seems really awful for Cleveland
How so?
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This has no chance from Cleveland's end. It's not fixable either. The team we have after the trade is significantly worse than the one we have now, which is just not something the front office is going to do.
Cam Johnson and Collins can't play a lick of defense between the two of them and they're both on large contracts.
The Pelicans really want Allen, so even if the Cavs relent and trade him, they'll get a much better offer from them.
The Jazz don't need to be in this trade and would get cut out.
As far as Garland, if he pushes hard enough, I suspect the Cavs will trade him, and there could certainly be a conversation with the Nets, but this ain't it.
Cam Johnson and Collins can't play a lick of defense between the two of them and they're both on large contracts.
The Pelicans really want Allen, so even if the Cavs relent and trade him, they'll get a much better offer from them.
The Jazz don't need to be in this trade and would get cut out.
As far as Garland, if he pushes hard enough, I suspect the Cavs will trade him, and there could certainly be a conversation with the Nets, but this ain't it.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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AingesBurner wrote:Iwasawitness wrote:Yeah but... this isn't what Cleveland needs.
They need better fitting pieces at a low cost while gaining assets.
No, they need to get better. Trading away Allen and Garland and getting significantly lesser players isn't going to cut it. You need to legitimately improve the team. This doesn't do that.
LakerLegend wrote:LeBron was literally more athletic at 35 than he was at 20
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I don't get this for the Cavs at all.
Personally I would prefer Allen over Collins/#32/Lakers Swaps. And that's not really close.
Then I wouldn't entertain any aspect of Garland for Cam Johnson/#29/'27 PHX 1st.
Think Utah is sucking the value here, depending on if you think JHS is just a throw in or if he is a young player that you can see might have a future.
Personally I would prefer Allen over Collins/#32/Lakers Swaps. And that's not really close.
Then I wouldn't entertain any aspect of Garland for Cam Johnson/#29/'27 PHX 1st.
Think Utah is sucking the value here, depending on if you think JHS is just a throw in or if he is a young player that you can see might have a future.
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Absolutely horrendous for Cleveland, like holy ****. Why are they giving up 2 All Stars for a solid starter, a way over payed Collins, and only getting 2 garbage picks, some okay swaps, and 1 solid pick?
Just not fixable for Cleveland.
Just not fixable for Cleveland.
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Swap out Collins for Markkanen, and the deal makes a lot more sense for Cleveland. To get in front of the rebuttals, that's just how off the deal is.
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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Iwasawitness wrote:Yeah but... this isn't what Cleveland needs.
Or wants
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Yeah, count me as another non Cavs fan that says things quite horrible value for Cleveland. Add in that Mitchell reportedly wants Allen back, and it might even cause Cleveland a ton more issues, too.
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What did CLE do to you?
Edrees wrote:JRoy wrote:Monta Ellis have it all
I was hoping and expecting this to be one of the first replies. You did not disappoint. Jroy have it all.
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