Portland moves to #1 w/ Detroit

[oldncreaky]

Detroit likey gets cut out here. Somebody would take Hunter for free. 7 and 14 >>>>>> 5 in this draft.

Who would take Hunter for free?

I see 5 teams with enough practical cap space to take Hunter for free (PHI, DET, UTA, OKC, ORL)

Only DET and UTA are realistic possibilities -- PHI, OKC or ORL have higher priorities -- and I don't think either of DET/UTA take Hunter for free

Feels like Detroit is getting a bit too much here for moving down 2 spots in this draft. 14th pick should go to Atlanta. Maybe Portland throws a little something else to Detroit instead of the 14th pick. Other than that though, I like the idea for Portland, if Schmitz is really sold on Sarr.

I assume a good chunk of that 14th pick is for taking on Hunter’s bloated contract. Pistons certainly aren’t going to move down AND absorb Hunter’s cap hit without getting something in return. So, I think it’s pretty fair.

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[tbhawksfan1]

I just really hope Landry hasn't been convinced that Clingan+ is better than taking Sarr's upside. That said, Grant is an even more bloated contract than Hunter. I'd have some interest in Thybulle, but overall the deal just looks like a salary dump, without Grant. I don't see much advantage of swapping contracts around and dropping 4 spots.

Grant is paid way more than Hunter over their contracts and Grant is 30. At 34 he will make $36.4M in 2027-28. Hunter will be off the books but in 2026-27 Hunter will make less than $25M, Grant over $35M. Their numbers are very similar and Grant will be leaving his prime soon. Hunter is 26

As I said; I keep Hunter over Grant. So then we have Thybulle and #5 for Capêla and #1. No deal from Hawks

Hunter > Grant based on production, salary and age
#1 / Capela > Thybulle / #5

Easy no

[vege]

Feels like Detroit is getting a bit too much here for moving down 2 spots in this draft.

I think its all about how Hunter is seen. If he is seen as positive value then I agree. But if he's seen as JAG but with a pretty sizable contract and an injury history--and that's how I priced him in here fwiw, then I think that's part of the value Detroit is providing along with #5.

But he's valued then there is a version where Portland takes him and maybe Brogdon goes to Detroit as a one year veteran guy?

I agree with this. Hunter is a big negative value imo, and I would not eat his salary unless I get very well compensated, which doesn't happen here.

Hunter have a negative RPM and a negative VORP pretty much his entire career. He's an awful defender, while being an inconsistent but above average offensive player. That's a big no, especially for what he's been paid.

If you swap Brodon going to Detroit, that's a different story. I would possibly still rather have raw cap space, but despite of his injuries, Brogdon is a very good veteran player that help teams get wins. He does have positive value

5 for 7 + 14 and Brogdon is a deal Detroit can't say no, with Hunter instead of Brogdon it's an easy no.

[Kalamazoo317]

I think the OP is great value for Detroit and I'd be thrilled if we did that.

[shakes0]

Portland trades: Grant/Thybulle/#7/#14
Portland gets: Capela/#1 overall

Detroit trades: #5
Detroit gets: #7/#14/Hunter

Atlanta trades: Hunter/Capela/#1
Atlanta gets: Grant/Thyulle/#5

So this is under the belief that Atlanta is focused on winning now and going off the reports suggesting they really like Clingan. So they drop back, but still get their guy. Get an upgrade next to JJ at forward, add a bench defender they need, and shed some salary for this season.

Detroit picks up a 2nd lottery pick for moving back just 2 spots and taking on Hunter. Portland doesn't want Hunter, but Detroit could actually use a guy like him.

Portland combines 3 good but not premium assets to go up to get another cornerstone to go with Scoot/Sharpe and get well under tax now and generate enormous savings over the next 3 years.

makes no sense for ATL unless you add additional lottery pick.

Hunter > Grant (contract)
Capela = Thybulle (both have zero value)
#1 >>>>> #5

[Kalamazoo317]

Eh, I think the talent differential between Grant and Hunter (arguing that Grant is much better) more than makes up for the contract difference. You could argue they're both overpaid, though. I value Thybulle's player type over Capelas and if you actually want to keep either player, I'd rather have Thybulle locked up at $11ish per than have Capela's massive expiring bogging down my books this year. I also don't think the gap between #1 and #5 is that huge in this draft where there's just no sure thing up top.

[tmorgan]

Feels like Detroit is getting a bit too much here for moving down 2 spots in this draft. 14th pick should go to Atlanta. Maybe Portland throws a little something else to Detroit instead of the 14th pick. Other than that though, I like the idea for Portland, if Schmitz is really sold on Sarr.

Pistons aren’t trading 5 for 7 and Hunter. Hunter doesn’t have any trade value on his 12% of cap deal. Nothing particularly wrong with him, but he misses a lot of games, scores adequately, doesn’t do much else. Not what you want for 22 million.

Jerami Grant does indeed make more (17% of cap), and he also misses games, but he’s a considerably better shooter and scorer. Last I checked, a better defender, too. He doesn’t hold a lot of value on his big deal, but still more than Hunter.

[tbhawksfan1]

Feels like Detroit is getting a bit too much here for moving down 2 spots in this draft. 14th pick should go to Atlanta. Maybe Portland throws a little something else to Detroit instead of the 14th pick. Other than that though, I like the idea for Portland, if Schmitz is really sold on Sarr.

Pistons aren’t trading 5 for 7 and Hunter. Hunter doesn’t have any trade value on his 12% of cap deal. Nothing particularly wrong with him, but he misses a lot of games, scores adequately, doesn’t do much else. Not what you want for 22 million.

Jerami Grant does indeed make more (17% of cap), and he also misses games, but he’s a considerably better shooter and scorer. Last I checked, a better defender, too. He doesn’t hold a lot of value on his big deal, but still more than Hunter.

He is not a "condiderably better shooter". Their FG%s are nearly identical but Hunter is much better at FT%. Hate when people come in here and state falsehoods to advance their agenda. I am going by career averages

[jbk1234]

seems way too good for Detroit IMO, 5 in this draft gets 7 and 14 and Hunter? not for me

Detroit isn't moving back for Hunter. Detroit taking Hunter into cap space is what makes this work. If the Blazers want to take back Hunter, while giving value, I'm sure there's another iteration of this trade that would work. Also moving back two spots in the top 7 is not like moving back in the 20s.

[tmorgan]

Feels like Detroit is getting a bit too much here for moving down 2 spots in this draft. 14th pick should go to Atlanta. Maybe Portland throws a little something else to Detroit instead of the 14th pick. Other than that though, I like the idea for Portland, if Schmitz is really sold on Sarr.

Pistons aren’t trading 5 for 7 and Hunter. Hunter doesn’t have any trade value on his 12% of cap deal. Nothing particularly wrong with him, but he misses a lot of games, scores adequately, doesn’t do much else. Not what you want for 22 million.

Jerami Grant does indeed make more (17% of cap), and he also misses games, but he’s a considerably better shooter and scorer. Last I checked, a better defender, too. He doesn’t hold a lot of value on his big deal, but still more than Hunter.

He is not a "condiderably better shooter". Their FG%s are nearly identical but Hunter is much better at FT%. Hate when people come in here and state falsehoods to advance their agenda. I am going by career averages

Two things:

Going by career averages doesn’t make sense. Players evolve. Grant has shot over 40% from three two years in a row, was around 35% the two years before that in Detroit’s bad spacing crapfest, and around 39% the two years before that. His free throw shooting has also improved dramatically. He’s one of the rare-ish guys that became a very good shooter over the course of his career. Hunter has lower percentages on lower volume while playing with better passing point guard.

Also, don’t be an agitator. People that disagree with you don’t always have nefarious agendas. And do your research before lashing out.