Randle - Garland - Ingram - picks

[babyjax13]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

[toooskies]

I don't hate Randle as much as jbk1234, but if I'm Cleveland I just cut NYK out and supply my own 2nds.

[babyjax13]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

I know the general consensus is that OG will get a max contract, but he isn't a max player. New York also literally cannot give Hartenstein the kind of money he is rumored to get (as-in, CBA rules limit the amount of $ they can offer).

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-knicks-are-facing-an-uphill-battle-to-keep-isaiah-hartenstein-in-nba-free-agency/#:~:text=The%20reason%20for%20that%20again,price%20up%20to%20the%20max.

[JayTWill]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

I know the general consensus is that OG will get a max contract, but he isn't a max player. New York also literally cannot give Hartenstein the kind of money he is rumored to get (as-in, CBA rules limit the amount of $ they can offer).

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-knicks-are-facing-an-uphill-battle-to-keep-isaiah-hartenstein-in-nba-free-agency/#:~:text=The%20reason%20for%20that%20again,price%20up%20to%20the%20max.

I think the $72M extension he mentions is the max the Knicks can offer.

[babyjax13]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

I know the general consensus is that OG will get a max contract, but he isn't a max player. New York also literally cannot give Hartenstein the kind of money he is rumored to get (as-in, CBA rules limit the amount of $ they can offer).

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-knicks-are-facing-an-uphill-battle-to-keep-isaiah-hartenstein-in-nba-free-agency/#:~:text=The%20reason%20for%20that%20again,price%20up%20to%20the%20max.

I think the $72M extension he mentions is the max the Knicks can offer.

Yes, it is, the rumors are that he will get more.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

I know the general consensus is that OG will get a max contract, but he isn't a max player. New York also literally cannot give Hartenstein the kind of money he is rumored to get (as-in, CBA rules limit the amount of $ they can offer).

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-knicks-are-facing-an-uphill-battle-to-keep-isaiah-hartenstein-in-nba-free-agency/#:~:text=The%20reason%20for%20that%20again,price%20up%20to%20the%20max.

The Knicks can give Hartenstein $72M over 4 years. I don't know what O.G. ends up getting, but he's asking for a max, there are a couple of good teams sitting on space to make it happen, and the Knicks aren't going to let him just walk.

In any event, the teams that feel a rush to get something done ahead of the draft are the teams that want to use picks from this year as the value filler for offering lesser players. The only reason the Knicks would rush to trade Randle would be to open up cap space for Hartenstein, but this has them doing just the opposite.

[Whole Truth]

Don't like this for the Cavs.

BabyJ how do you see Randle fitting the Cavs ?

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not sure OG is a max player in a vacuum either, but man the Knicks with him playing were just so so good. I think if that's what it costs they pay it and don't feel too bad about it. Yeah its going to be expensive when Brunson gets his raise, but you should pay to have a good team when you are in New York City.

I'd pay Hartenstein too if he will take it. Robinson is a good player but he's just not been dependable enough health wise to let IH go over money imo.

[babyjax13]

Don't like this for the Cavs.

BabyJ how do you see Randle fitting the Cavs ?

I think after trading 1 of Allen/Mobley he'd be a nice fit as a secondary creator who has enough shooting that defenses can't leave him entirely open (35% on catch and shoot 3s, his percentages are pulled down by the number of pull-ups he takes). I'm not claiming he is ideal, but if Cleveland can't commit to maxing all of Mitchell/Ingram/Mobley I think it makes sense to find the best non-max players you can - and Randle is one of the better guys of that ilk.

[Rockazoids]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

[jbk1234]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

It probably has something to do with the numbers teams willing to actually trade for each player. That's how supply and demand works.

[babyjax13]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

Frankly, being an all star means very little. I am not some moron who has never seen Julius Randle play. He's a hard guy to build with thus his value, in general, is lower than the on-court value he provides IF you have the right personal to match his skillset. Thus, yes, I see a pretty significant value gap between he and all the other players in this trade because they are (a) just as good, (b) younger, and (c) much easier to build around. I don't begrudge New York if they'd rather just keep Randle, but a big wing who can be a secondary creator next to Brunson seems pretty ideal.

[JayTWill]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

As much as I hate how polarizing just mentioning Randle's name can be and how extremely negative the responses can be to him sometimes, the listing of his accolades response is getting old. Can we at least describe the value he brings to the team on the court?
No one is trading for a player based solely on their all-star appearances and other awards.

[PELICANSFAN]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

I don't think the max starts at $52m. I think it starts in the $40s.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs aren't taking back Randle. That's just a nonstarter.

Also, are the Knicks going to max O.G., give Hartenstein a $72M extension, and then trade for Ingram wants a max extension that starts at $52M per?

I don't think the max starts at $52m. I think it starts in the $40s.

He's eligible for 30% of the cap.

https://hoopshype.com/team/new-orleans-pelicans/

[Rockazoids]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

Frankly, being an all star means very little. I am not some moron who has never seen Julius Randle play. He's a hard guy to build with thus his value, in general, is lower than the on-court value he provides IF you have the right personal to match his skillset. Thus, yes, I see a pretty significant value gap between he and all the other players in this trade because they are (a) just as good, (b) younger, and (c) much easier to build around. I don't begrudge New York if they'd rather just keep Randle, but a big wing who can be a secondary creator next to Brunson seems pretty ideal.

No one called you a moron, but there are some moron takes that think Lauri Markkanen should return 4 -5 1st in a trade.
Also who in the hell is going to build around Brandon Ingram?

[Rockazoids]

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Julius Randle, 2024 MIL 1st (21), 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected)
Cleveland gets a power forward who I think can fit with Mobley (or, alternatively, Allen) and who won't demand a max like Ingram will. They'll have to find a separate trade for Allen (or, alternatively, Mobley).

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, 2024 MIL 1st (21)
in: Darius Garland, 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
New Orleans gets their point guard of the future and also does the rumored 2024 1st for a pile of 2nds trade.

NYK trades: Julius Randle, 2025 MIL 1st (1-4 protected), 2025 BRK 2nd, 2027 NYK 2nd, 2028 IND/PHX 2nd (less favorable), 2029 IND/WAS 2nd (less favorable), 2030 NYK 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram
New York moves Randle for a forward who is a bit younger and can be a secondary creator next to Brunson.

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

As much as I hate how polarizing just mentioning Randle's name can be and how extremely negative the responses can be to him sometimes, the listing of his accolades response is getting old. Can we at least describe the value he brings to the team on the court?
No one is trading for a player based solely on their all-star appearances and other awards.

Who else listed his resume?
Just like any other job your resume tells your body of work.
Some how them dumb coaches keep voting keep for him to be a All NBA & All Star.

[babyjax13]

I'm going to leave you this to chew on

Brandon Ingram resume $36.1 M expiring
NBA All-Star (2020)
NBA Most Improved Player (2020)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2017)

Darius Garland resume 5 yrs $197 M
NBA All-Star (2022)

Julius Randle resume 2 yrs $60 M with PO
3× NBA All-Star (2021, 2023, 2024)
All-NBA Second Team (2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2023)
NBA Most Improved Player (2021)

One of these guys are being severely undervalued
Why the guy with the better resume need more assets to be moved for someone not as good as him.

Frankly, being an all star means very little. I am not some moron who has never seen Julius Randle play. He's a hard guy to build with thus his value, in general, is lower than the on-court value he provides IF you have the right personal to match his skillset. Thus, yes, I see a pretty significant value gap between he and all the other players in this trade because they are (a) just as good, (b) younger, and (c) much easier to build around. I don't begrudge New York if they'd rather just keep Randle, but a big wing who can be a secondary creator next to Brunson seems pretty ideal.

No one called you a moron, but there are some moron takes that think Lauri Markkanen should return 4 -5 1st in a trade.
Also who in the hell is going to build around Brandon Ingram?

In response to your question, see the bolded section.