Trying a Bruce Brown trade for some reason. Charlotte/Dallas?

[jayjaysee]

No idea why. Maybe terrible as a base with Charlotte, but I didn’t hate it…

Charlotte: Richards, Martin, Curry, 2025 Philly 2nd, 2026 Charlotte 2nd
Charlotte: Brown

Charlotte combine a couple of their bench guys and hopes Brown bounces back. They only give up two seconds to get someone that might start between Ball/Miller and take on an extra 6 (10 once you consider the roster spots?) million. But it’s a nice potential fit IMO.

Dallas: THJ and 2025 Toronto 2nd
Dallas: Martin

Dallas opens the full MLE and hopes Martin gives them 25 good games. Even better if he bounces back.

Toronto: Brown
Toronto: THJ, Richards, Curry, 2025 Toronto 2nd, 2025 Philly 2nd, and2026 Charlotte 2nd

Toronto buys Curry out, keeps Richards as a third center or maybe more if they move on from one of Kelly/Poeltl and THJ is there as well.. Not the best, but maybe not terrible?

[GoBobs]

Charlotte has a log jam at guard. We don't need Brown.

[Texas Chuck]

Brown isn't really a guard so that's a non-issue. I'm just less sold on throwing even 2nds at Brown unless they have another larger upgrade coming as well. Of course Charlotte has frequently made half-measure win now moves so its not out of character for them.

Not sure how there is a Seth Curry and Dallas trade and he doesn't end up in Dallas for the 4th(5th?) time.

[jayjaysee]

I think if Charlotte pays Bridges, they likely think they can make the play-in and Brown could play 26~ mpg and help push win games. Unlike the bench guards they have?

Brown could start between Miller/Ball in my mind and Charlotte doesn’t have anyone I’d look at and think that should not be the case..

Even if they draft Castle, still would be nice to have Brown on the roster to make Castle earn the playing time.

Unless it’s just another rebuilding season, then yeah free Mann/NSJ/Micic.

[jayjaysee]

Brown isn't really a guard so that's a non-issue. I'm just less sold on throwing even 2nds at Brown unless they have another larger upgrade coming as well. Of course Charlotte has frequently made half-measure win now moves so its not out of character for them.

Not sure how there is a Seth Curry and Dallas trade and he doesn't end up in Dallas for the 4th(5th?) time.

Yeah. It’s a half move , but that’s what I think Charlotte should do. I really buy Miller and think Charlotte could have enough young talent to come out of the rebuild.

Not trade future firsts to come out of it, but just put a couple actual quality players around their kids and see what happens. If they start terrible, it was a bad bet and they can tank (again)…

And yeah, I wish I had fit in a Curry to Dallas again leg to the trade. But was much too afraid to add Powell.

[islandboy53]

I think if Charlotte pays Bridges, they likely think they can make the play-in and Brown could play 26~ mpg and help push win games. Unlike the bench guards they have?

Brown could start between Miller/Ball in my mind and Charlotte doesn’t have anyone I’d look at and think that should not be the case..

Even if they draft Castle, still would be nice to have Brown on the roster to make Castle earn the playing time.

Unless it’s just another rebuilding season, then yeah free Mann/NSJ/Micic.

The proposal is a bit short of freeing up the full MLE since Dallas has $1.5 million in unlikely incentives which count toward the apron. This revision solves that.

Charlotte: Bertans, Curry, 2025 Philly 2nd, 2026 Charlotte 2nd
Charlotte: Brown

Dallas: THJ and 2025 Toronto 2nd
Dallas: Curry

Toronto: Brown
Toronto: THJ, Bertans, 2025 Toronto 2nd, 2025 Philly 2nd, 2026 Charlotte 2nd

Dallas now has the full MLE and some spare change under the apron.

[jayjaysee]

The proposal is a bit short of freeing up the full MLE since Dallas has $1.5 million in unlikely incentives which count toward the apron. This revision solves that.

I think I actually never factored in McGee’s dead money?

Rounding up since I’m lazy.

172 (13 players) + 1.5 unlikely incentive

THJ-Martin = 8 mil

165.5 million. Leaves just over 13 million, but 2.2 goes to McGee right?

So 11 mil.

So Dallas can only really take back 6 million in a THJ dump unless they tie in a Powell for vet min type addition.

Interesting.

[Texas Chuck]

So Dallas can only really take back 6 million in a THJ dump unless they tie in a Powell for vet min type addition.

So at what point is it better for Dallas to look at just turning THJ into a player as opposed to money savings? How essential do we feel Jones is? How likely are we to retain Jones if we carve out the full MLE?

I wonder if we are overrating his importance in part because the team caught fire right after he and Gafford were moved into the starting lineup?

[islandboy53]

The proposal is a bit short of freeing up the full MLE since Dallas has $1.5 million in unlikely incentives which count toward the apron. This revision solves that.

I think I actually never factored in McGee’s dead money?

Rounding up since I’m lazy.

172 (13 players) + 1.5 unlikely incentive

THJ-Martin = 8 mil

165.5 million. Leaves just over 13 million, but 2.2 goes to McGee right?

So 11 mil.

So Dallas can only really take back 6 million in a THJ dump unless they tie in a Powell for vet min type addition.

Interesting.

And switching Curry for Martin gives them a bit extra, as I noted above.

[HornetJail]

Charlotte has a log jam at guard. We don't need Brown.

Brown fits well and plays much more like a forward than a guard. Swap in Bertans' $5M guarantee instead of Seth to make it closer to salary neutral and I'm in... gotta be a different 2nd round pick though, as we owe our 2026 and 2027 2nds to SAS if we miss the playoffs. 2028?

[oldncreaky]

So Dallas can only really take back 6 million in a THJ dump unless they tie in a Powell for vet min type addition.

So at what point is it better for Dallas to look at just turning THJ into a player as opposed to money savings? How essential do we feel Jones is? How likely are we to retain Jones if we carve out the full MLE?

I wonder if we are overrating his importance in part because the team caught fire right after he and Gafford were moved into the starting lineup?

I've found some of the valuations of DJJ wild. He's had a nice stretch, and Dallas has played well, but he's replaceable. There are reasons why he was available for a minimum salary, and if he reverted to his career 3P% you'd regret paying anything over 5% of the cap for him.

I think the environment helps more than most recognise. Dallas has an extremely heliocentric system around Doncic. It can make good 3&D players look great: DFS, Bullock and DJJ all had their best career stretches with Doncic, but look rather ordinary apart from that.

[Godaddycurse]

No idea why. Maybe terrible as a base with Charlotte, but I didn’t hate it…

probably because you read my thread from before
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2381372&p=113396324&hilit=charlotte+brown+thj#p113396324

i like your version (too) though

[Texas Chuck]

I've found some of the valuations of DJJ wild. He's had a nice stretch, and Dallas has played well, but he's replaceable. There are reasons why he was available for a minimum salary, and if he reverted to his career 3P% you'd regret paying anything over 5% of the cap for him.

I think the environment helps more than most recognise. Dallas has an extremely heliocentric system around Doncic. It can make good 3&D players look great: DFS, Bullock and DJJ all had their best career stretches with Doncic, but look rather ordinary apart from that.

No question if you are a good defender and a corner 3 point shooter, Dallas is a great place to shine. Jones took less money to come to Dallas probably for that reason. It only takes one team to pay him though.

But yeah its just tough to know what his market looks like.

[Apz]

So Dallas can only really take back 6 million in a THJ dump unless they tie in a Powell for vet min type addition.

So at what point is it better for Dallas to look at just turning THJ into a player as opposed to money savings? How essential do we feel Jones is? How likely are we to retain Jones if we carve out the full MLE?

I wonder if we are overrating his importance in part because the team caught fire right after he and Gafford were moved into the starting lineup?

Maybe, but he does fit perfect. He is pretty big and athletic, defends oppositions pg but in attack he is more 3-4 and doesnt need the ball.

Saying he is easily replaceable seems too optimistic. Ive been thinking about it and seems hard to come up with guys. Specially if we count in the money

[jayjaysee]

No idea why. Maybe terrible as a base with Charlotte, but I didn’t hate it…

probably because you read my thread from before
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2381372&p=113396324&hilit=charlotte+brown+thj#p113396324

i like your version (too) though

Yours is better, my fault really. I try not to recycle that closely.

I do like brown there though.

[Texas Chuck]

Saying he is easily replaceable seems too optimistic. Ive been thinking about it and seems hard to come up with guys. Specially if we count in the money

But I'm not saying that. I'm simply asking if spending assets to dump salary in the hopes of giving him the full MLE is the best approach overall for Dallas. IT might be. I think it also might not be if those same assets could simply be attached to THJ for a player.

IDK. Jones certainly made me eat a lot of crow this season. I didn't like him installed as a starter from day 1 and literally posted on this board the next day I was done with all Derrick Jones JR minutes for the rest of the year. So I get he's been an important cog. I was wrong in thinking he would be too unplayable offensively and he's a better defender than I expected.

But I don't think he's some sort of good starter either. As creaky sagely points out, Dallas makes this kind of player look better than they are because of Luka.

[Apz]

Saying he is easily replaceable seems too optimistic. Ive been thinking about it and seems hard to come up with guys. Specially if we count in the money

But I'm not saying that. I'm simply asking if spending assets to dump salary in the hopes of giving him the full MLE is the best approach overall for Dallas. IT might be. I think it also might not be if those same assets could simply be attached to THJ for a player.

IDK. Jones certainly made me eat a lot of crow this season. I didn't like him installed as a starter from day 1 and literally posted on this board the next day I was done with all Derrick Jones JR minutes for the rest of the year. So I get he's been an important cog. I was wrong in thinking he would be too unplayable offensively and he's a better defender than I expected.

But I don't think he's some sort of good starter either. As creaky sagely points out, Dallas makes this kind of player look better than they are because of Luka.

Ofc, i wouldnt pay neither omax or hardy in dumping thj to open up just money. But say we get kuzma, does anyone really think mavs have a better chance to win the title next year when all of a sudden we ask kyrie to guard the sga/kawhii/pg13/Ant players on the other team? I dont think mavs would have had a chance to get to the final this year without him

[jayjaysee]

Dallas fans should understand roleplayers being able to be replaced. A year ago most of us were looking for DFS and Bullock and wondering who was going to play those 70 minutes in the playoffs/.

While it’s fun to play with the idea and we do love DJJ, if he gets a 16 mil offer from Detroit - Dallas will be able to move on and end up in a similar position assuming they don’t wait a year to replace him..

[Apz]

Dallas fans should understand roleplayers being able to be replaced. A year ago most of us were looking for DFS and Bullock and wondering who was going to play those 70 minutes in the playoffs/.

While it’s fun to play with the idea and we do love DJJ, if he gets a 16 mil offer from Detroit - Dallas will be able to move on and end up in a similar position assuming they don’t wait a year to replace him..

Ofc roleplayers can be replaced. But replaced doesnt mean they will fill the the same function. You make it sound easy so maybe give us 5 reasonable names that we dont need to give up really anything for? Mavs issue is that the guy needs to do very specific things. Since mavs got kyrie and luka the replacement cant be a guard, but have to be able to guard the best pgs out there. So size, quickness, and not be useless in offense(we tried that...). And all that for pretty much either tpmle or a thj trade. I dont know, we will see, but its not something easy resolvable. If boston lodt jrue, u could replace him with another roleplayer, but it would most likely make them worse.

[jayjaysee]

Dallas fans should understand roleplayers being able to be replaced. A year ago most of us were looking for DFS and Bullock and wondering who was going to play those 70 minutes in the playoffs/.

While it’s fun to play with the idea and we do love DJJ, if he gets a 16 mil offer from Detroit - Dallas will be able to move on and end up in a similar position assuming they don’t wait a year to replace him..

Ofc roleplayers can be replaced. But replaced doesnt mean they will fill the the same function. You make it sound easy so maybe give us 5 reasonable names that we dont need to give up really anything for? Mavs issue is that the guy needs to do very specific things. Since mavs got kyrie and luka the replacement cant be a guard, but have to be able to guard the best pgs out there. So size, quickness, and not be useless in offense(we tried that...). And all that for pretty much either tpmle or a thj trade. I dont know, we will see, but it’s not something easy resolvable. If boston lodt jrue, u could replace him with another roleplayer, but it would most likely make them worse.

All I said was Dallas loved Bullock and DFS. And now it’s PJ and DJJ. And if they leave, the team will find a new role player. maybe a DFS reunion, maybe Thybulle. Vandy. Hunter. Maybe Cam Johnson. Grimes. Ochai. Naji.

It’s weird to say 5 names and bring up Jrue when we are taking about a guy that up until 2-3 months ago, most thought was going to cost the tax MLE..

Of course, Dallas should pay to dump THJ and sign DJJ if he’s willing. I’ve posted probably 50 versions of that, which you had to have seen some of.

But if DJJ signs with Detroit? It’s not the end of the world was the point.

Or if Dallas actually wants to upgrade the roster/3rd option - like they need to - the MLE might not be there for DJJ anyways right?

DJJ isn’t free though. DJJ costs the ability to go over the apron. Costs THJ’s salary slot and the 1-2 seconds it takes to clear his salary. Costs the taxMLE…

A lot of flexibility to improve the roster is lost by paying him. Though I’d still love to pay him and try and get creative after.