Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams

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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#41 » by babyjax13 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:32 pm

This has to be the worst coaching hire of all time with hindsight, right?
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#42 » by HornetJail » Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:33 pm

As a Panthers fan, Frank Reich walked so Monty Williams could run. That level of swindling is actually impressive.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#43 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:00 pm

SNPA wrote:Dumbest move Trajan could have made. Puts all the pressure on him. Should have kept Monte for at least a year, it gives him a year of no responsibility while he settles in.


I'm glad we hired a head of basketball operations who cares more about turning the team around than avoiding pressure on himself, then.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#44 » by SNPA » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:35 pm

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SNPA wrote:Dumbest move Trajan could have made. Puts all the pressure on him. Should have kept Monte for at least a year, it gives him a year of no responsibility while he settles in.


I'm glad we hired a head of basketball operations who cares more about turning the team around than avoiding pressure on himself, then.

Did they release how long his deal is? If he got five years it’s not so bad. If he got four years that means three before he is a lame duck. That’s a whole different calculation for him.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#45 » by 7r5ur » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:37 pm

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This was a bad decision. Considering how much money & time left on Monte's contract this was incredibly poor timing & foresight.


The money is a sunk cost. Once a coach has lost both the FO and the locker room, there's no coming back.

As others have said, the mistake was made when the owner (Gores) did not let GM Troy Weaver move on from Monty, but insisted on upping the offer until a reluctant Monty couldn't say no to the Brinks truck in his driveway.


If there's irreparable damage, then I understand the rational. However, NO's fans were also saying Green lost the team in a 49 win season.

Unless the players absolutely hate Monte, I think the best course of action would have been to have an evaluation year. Reload next season with a better pick in a better draft, while giving Monte a chance to show he's the same coach that had Suns #1 in the West.

He had a terrible season but he's a proven coach, which means there's potential for a bounce back year with some adjustments.


Pretty sure everyone in the organization hated Monty's coaching, Gores being at the top of the list.

https://bullyball.net/basketball/bdlexn4p2dalvryyueqlm4mhtx30y8

Players like Cade Cunningham could be seen visually frustrated with Williams’ decision making throughout the course of the season... Multiple sources had indicated that Williams seriously rubbed key members of the Pistons roster the wrong way during his time in Detroit.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#46 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:49 pm

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a hire so destined to fail. He didn’t want the job. They wouldn’t accept no for an answer and kept upping the offer. Williams wife was dealing with a cancer diagnosis at the time. Monty made bank but I hope this doesn’t cost him another opportunity to coach.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#47 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:50 pm

BDM22 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
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The money is a sunk cost. Once a coach has lost both the FO and the locker room, there's no coming back.

As others have said, the mistake was made when the owner (Gores) did not let GM Troy Weaver move on from Monty, but insisted on upping the offer until a reluctant Monty couldn't say no to the Brinks truck in his driveway.


If there's irreparable damage, then I understand the rational. However, NO's fans were also saying Green lost the team in a 49 win season.

Unless the players absolutely hate Monte, I think the best course of action would have been to have an evaluation year. Reload next season with a better pick in a better draft, while giving Monte a chance to show he's the same coach that had Suns #1 in the West.

He had a terrible season but he's a proven coach, which means there's potential for a bounce back year with some adjustments.


Pretty sure everyone in the organization hated Monty's coaching, Gores being at the top of the list.

https://bullyball.net/basketball/bdlexn4p2dalvryyueqlm4mhtx30y8

Players like Cade Cunningham could be seen visually frustrated with Williams’ decision making throughout the course of the season... Multiple sources had indicated that Williams seriously rubbed key members of the Pistons roster the wrong way during his time in Detroit.


Could absolutely be true but that’s standard hit piece stuff.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#48 » by BuddyBuckets » Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:23 pm

Bring Monty back to Nawlins!!! Willie needs help haha
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#49 » by gswhoops » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:37 pm

babyjax13 wrote:This has to be the worst coaching hire of all time woth hindsight, right?

I can't think of a worse one. At least Steve Nash was (relatively) cheap.
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#50 » by Colbinii » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:45 pm

gswhoops wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:This has to be the worst coaching hire of all time woth hindsight, right?

I can't think of a worse one. At least Steve Nash was (relatively) cheap.


Nash also dealt with...yeah
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Re: Woj: Piston dismiss Monty Williams 

Post#51 » by meekrab » Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:27 am

I_Love_This_Game!! wrote:Great move! Yes, it is a lot of money, but you can't change the culture of a team without changing the coach.

Wasn't Monte supposed to be that guy?

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