A New Murray team emerges

[Texas Chuck]

Atlanta trades: Murray/Capela
Atlanta gets: Kuzma/Giddey/Dieng/#26/25 MIA 1st(top 14 then unp)

OKC trades: Giddey/Dieng/#12/25 MIA 1st(top 14 then unp)
OKC gets: Murray/Capela

Washington trades: Kuzma/#26
Washington gets: #12

Washington gets a good asset for Kuzma/#26 and takes back no unwanted salary

OKC replaces Giddey with Murray and Capela serves as defensive backup center for a year. Murray fits nicely into a budget even as their kids get paid in a couple years.

Atlanta gets back a PG with size who complements Trae, a young big still worth a flier, a veteran forward to combine with Hunter/JJ for a nice rotation as they still want to compete, a first this year and then a first with potential real upside especially if the Butler situation doesn't get worked out. Ducks the tax.

Note: Atlanta can simply cut Washington out with ease and maybe should. But included them to fit with the more win now thoughts of Atlanta historically and with owing out picks.

[babyjax13]

Feels like Washington should be cut out. Kuzma is better than Hunter, but then you are paying him $20 million to come off the bench, and Kuzma is not better than Johnson, so Kuzma can't play the position he is best at. Don't know if the Miami 1st needs to be there, either. Is Murray worth substantially more than 12+Giddey?

[MoneyTalks41890]

If OKC is doing all that then the MIA 1st should be a one shot on the lotto protected portion.

[dms269]

I don't think Atlanta would want to deal with the headache that comes with having Giddey on your team.

[LightTheBeam]

I am a Giddey hater, have been since before it was cool. I guess I'm fine with his involvement because it doesn't seem ATL is paying much here. Kuzma + Dieng + 2 1sts for Murray and then Giddey for Capela feels right.

Love this for OKC. They give up 2 picks they probably don't care about and get significantly better on the floor. Murray fits the exact mold OKC seems to love. Capela adds the rebounding for the playoffs OKC desperately needed.

Washington IMO should take this and run as fast as they can lol. Moving up from 26 to 12 while dumping Kuzmas remaining salary is amazing value.

[jredsaz]

Feels like Washington should be cut out. Kuzma is better than Hunter, but then you are paying him $20 million to come off the bench, and Kuzma is not better than Johnson, so Kuzma can't play the position he is best at. Don't know if the Miami 1st needs to be there, either. Is Murray worth substantially more than 12+Giddey?

I think Murray for #12, Giddey, Deing is pretty close. With #1 this trade definitely resets the Hawks roster. I get adding Kuzma too because they will need offense from somewhere in the front court but this trade straight up makes a lot of sense to me as well. Addressing offense with a Hunter move is an option as well.

[dms269]

Feels like Washington should be cut out. Kuzma is better than Hunter, but then you are paying him $20 million to come off the bench, and Kuzma is not better than Johnson, so Kuzma can't play the position he is best at. Don't know if the Miami 1st needs to be there, either. Is Murray worth substantially more than 12+Giddey?

I think Murray for #12, Giddey, Deing is pretty close. With #1 this trade definitely resets the Hawks roster. I get adding Kuzma too because they will need offense from somewhere in the front court but this trade straight up makes a lot of sense to me as well. Addressing offense with a Hunter move is an option as well.

I don't see the reason Atlanta would move Murray for that package though. They don't solve their SG problem which is the highest issue a Murray deal likely needs to try and solve.

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[jredsaz]

I don't think Atlanta would want to deal with the headache that comes with having Giddey on your team.

Didn’t Giddey get cleared of that by police and the NBA?

[jredsaz]

Feels like Washington should be cut out. Kuzma is better than Hunter, but then you are paying him $20 million to come off the bench, and Kuzma is not better than Johnson, so Kuzma can't play the position he is best at. Don't know if the Miami 1st needs to be there, either. Is Murray worth substantially more than 12+Giddey?

I think Murray for #12, Giddey, Deing is pretty close. With #1 this trade definitely resets the Hawks roster. I get adding Kuzma too because they will need offense from somewhere in the front court but this trade straight up makes a lot of sense to me as well. Addressing offense with a Hunter move is an option as well.

I don't see the reason Atlanta would move Murray for that package though. They don't solve their SG problem which is the highest issue a Murray deal likely needs to try and solve.

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I mean they have Bogdanovic and Bufkin (15 overall last season) to play the two guard. They would also have Hunter contract, #1 and #12 overall to fill out any holes they have on the roster. This is definitely a step back towards development for the Hawks and not sure how Trae would feel about that.

[dms269]

I don't think Atlanta would want to deal with the headache that comes with having Giddey on your team.

Didn’t Giddey get cleared of that by police and the NBA?

No "corroborating evidence" aka the family refused to speak to police about it. He is still a team's PR nightmare due to those allegations.

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[shakes0]

I don’t understand this trade at all from OKC’s POV. Why would they want Murray? He’s not going to start for OKC unless the plan is to start a 3 guard lineup of SGA/Dort/Murray which makes OKC an even worse rebounding team than they already are. He’s not a good enough defensive player or shooter to have him replace Dort.

He’s too expensive to bring in as a bench player.


And he needs the ball to be effective. That’s already a problem when he has to share touches with Trae. It’s only going to be amplified when he’s sharing touches with SGA, JDub and Chet.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I loved OKC trading for Murray last season. And still do.

He makes a small enough amount that Presti can still pay Joe I think. And the fit is much better with Dort/SGA/Casin rotating.

Value still seems right. Kuzma should be worth this. Or about this?

[the_process]

I don't think Atlanta would want to deal with the headache that comes with having Giddey on your team.

Didn’t Giddey get cleared of that by police and the NBA?

No "corroborating evidence" aka the family refused to speak to police about it. He is still a team's PR nightmare due to those allegations.

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Giddey isn’t kryptonite like Miles Bridges. He was cleared, and that’s all you need to say to fans.

Now, is he a good player is a whole other story.

[Skybox]

I don't see what Giddey does for ATL...Trae has the ball and Giddey without the ball doesn't offer anything offensively. Murray could at least play defense between watching Trae hoist 30 foot heat checks.

[jredsaz]

I don't see what Giddey does for ATL...Trae has the ball and Giddey without the ball doesn't offer anything offensively. Murray could at least play defense between watching Trae hoist 30 foot heat checks.

Murray didn’t play much defense in ATL. After back to back disappointing years this move is about all the assets, not just Giddey (who is actually getting better at shooting the basketball). Deing is interesting former lottery pick. I’d probably prefer 12 to Kuzma but Kuz fits too.

Add Sarr with #1, move Jalen Johnson and Bogdan Bogdanovic into the starting lineup and it’s an entirely new construct around Trae. It brings with it youth, a lower cap number, and less pressure to win immediately. Not sure how Trae will responds to this idea, though.

[Threezus]

I don't see what Giddey does for ATL...Trae has the ball and Giddey without the ball doesn't offer anything offensively. Murray could at least play defense between watching Trae hoist 30 foot heat checks.

Murray didn’t play much defense in ATL. After back to back disappointing years this move is about all the assets, not just Giddey (who is actually getting better at shooting the basketball). Deing is interesting former lottery pick. I’d probably prefer 12 to Kuzma but Kuz fits too.

Add Sarr with #1, move Jalen Johnson and Bogdan Bogdanovic into the starting lineup and it’s an entirely new construct around Trae. It brings with it youth, a lower cap number, and less pressure to win immediately. Not sure how Trae will responds to this idea, though.

Murray played great defense here when trae went down and murray finally got to play PG lol. He does really well at his natural position where he can bully some of the smaller guys he is going up against. But when you put him against bigger SG's or SF's he starts to struggle a good bit or atleast he did here some.

Keep bogi on the bench and find a way to add a caruso next to Trae at SG for that really good defense next to him and we are cooking. Agree with adding sarr at #1 as well.

[jredsaz]

I don't see what Giddey does for ATL...Trae has the ball and Giddey without the ball doesn't offer anything offensively. Murray could at least play defense between watching Trae hoist 30 foot heat checks.

Murray didn’t play much defense in ATL. After back to back disappointing years this move is about all the assets, not just Giddey (who is actually getting better at shooting the basketball). Deing is interesting former lottery pick. I’d probably prefer 12 to Kuzma but Kuz fits too.

Add Sarr with #1, move Jalen Johnson and Bogdan Bogdanovic into the starting lineup and it’s an entirely new construct around Trae. It brings with it youth, a lower cap number, and less pressure to win immediately. Not sure how Trae will responds to this idea, though.

Murray played great defense here when trae went down and murray finally got to play PG lol. He does really well at his natural position where he can bully some of the smaller guys he is going up against. But when you put him against bigger SG's or SF's he starts to struggle a good bit or atleast he did here some.

Keep bogi on the bench and find a way to add a caruso next to Trae at SG for that really good defense next to him and we are cooking. Agree with adding sarr at #1 as well.

That’s fair. Murray/Trad hast been a fit. What you trading for Caruso?

[Threezus]

Murray didn’t play much defense in ATL. After back to back disappointing years this move is about all the assets, not just Giddey (who is actually getting better at shooting the basketball). Deing is interesting former lottery pick. I’d probably prefer 12 to Kuzma but Kuz fits too.

Add Sarr with #1, move Jalen Johnson and Bogdan Bogdanovic into the starting lineup and it’s an entirely new construct around Trae. It brings with it youth, a lower cap number, and less pressure to win immediately. Not sure how Trae will responds to this idea, though.

Murray played great defense here when trae went down and murray finally got to play PG lol. He does really well at his natural position where he can bully some of the smaller guys he is going up against. But when you put him against bigger SG's or SF's he starts to struggle a good bit or atleast he did here some.

Keep bogi on the bench and find a way to add a caruso next to Trae at SG for that really good defense next to him and we are cooking. Agree with adding sarr at #1 as well.

That’s fair. Murray/Trad hast been a fit. What you trading for Caruso?

Im honestly not sure on the Caruso trade yet i haven't got a good read on his value. I feel we got the right assets to pull him just gotta find out if it's worth it and what else we can still get if we do that trade with other pieces.

Like if we could take Sarr at 1 trade Murray+ for KAT and then have enough to get Caruso i think the team would be set up really well 1 to 5. Trae, Caruso, Johnson, Sarr, Kat is a strong starting 5 with alot of length, shooting, and tons of defense around trae at each position. Probably have Onyeka or Capela off the bench for a bit better D than Kat when needed depending on which we don't trade.

[Mavrelous]

Like if we could take Sarr at 1 trade Murray+ for KAT and then have enough to get Caruso i think the team would be set up really well 1 to 5. Trae, Caruso, Johnson, Sarr, Kat is a strong starting 5 with alot of length, shooting, and tons of defense around trae at each position. Probably have Onyeka or Capela off the bench for a bit better D than Kat when needed depending on which we don't trade.

Onyeka for Caruso should be interesting for CHI, maybe CHI adds POR 1st, or ATL throws a 2nd rd pick...

[Dadouv47]

I don’t understand this trade at all from OKC’s POV. Why would they want Murray? He’s not going to start for OKC unless the plan is to start a 3 guard lineup of SGA/Dort/Murray which makes OKC an even worse rebounding team than they already are. He’s not a good enough defensive player or shooter to have him replace Dort.

He’s too expensive to bring in as a bench player.


And he needs the ball to be effective. That’s already a problem when he has to share touches with Trae. It’s only going to be amplified when he’s sharing touches with SGA, JDub and Chet.

pretty much this. I would do OP trade based on value alone but not convinced Murray can help us...maybe if he's willing to be our 6th man why but I still think he's a very bad fit even with our second unit.