Suns and Magic Swap Shooters

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only way Magic do this is is they have a backdoor agreement with either Claxton or Hartenstein. Also not sending Denver pick but i'll give you 2 2nds.

This.

People are also wrong about why Carter is mentioned in trades from Orlando. It’s because his contract is good, he doesn’t fit next to Paolo Banchero, and the trade asset pool has dried up due to incompetence.

Claxton and Hartenstein make more sense.

I’m pulling the trigger on this deal if Orlando lands either of those guys. Orlando needs shooting and Allen provides that more than guys like Gary Harris or some 30ish year old rental.

Also, take out the added late first. The deal is about even without it anyway. Magic can add a 2nd or filler. It’s not that Carter is bad. It’s that he makes no sense in Orlando needing a rim protecting runner at Center instead.

[Skybox]

only way Magic do this is is they have a backdoor agreement with either Claxton or Hartenstein. Also not sending Denver pick but i'll give you 2 2nds.

This.

People are also wrong about why Carter is mentioned in trades from Orlando. It’s because his contract is good, he doesn’t fit next to Paolo Banchero, and the trade asset pool has dried up due to incompetence.

Claxton and Hartenstein make more sense.

I’m pulling the trigger on this deal if Orlando lands either of those guys. Orlando needs shooting and Allen provides that more than guys like Gary Harris or some 30ish year old rental.

Also, take out the added late first. The deal is about even without it anyway. Magic can add a 2nd or filler. It’s not that Carter is bad. It’s that he makes no sense in Orlando needing a rim protecting runner at Center instead.

Fallback might be an expiring Capela for very little if ATL drafts Sarr.

[Whole Truth]

Magic fans you prefer Allen to CJ ?.

[jredsaz]

only way Magic do this is is they have a backdoor agreement with either Claxton or Hartenstein. Also not sending Denver pick but i'll give you 2 2nds.

This.

People are also wrong about why Carter is mentioned in trades from Orlando. It’s because his contract is good, he doesn’t fit next to Paolo Banchero, and the trade asset pool has dried up due to incompetence.

Claxton and Hartenstein make more sense.

I’m pulling the trigger on this deal if Orlando lands either of those guys. Orlando needs shooting and Allen provides that more than guys like Gary Harris or some 30ish year old rental.

Also, take out the added late first. The deal is about even without it anyway. Magic can add a 2nd or filler. It’s not that Carter is bad. It’s that he makes no sense in Orlando needing a rim protecting runner at Center instead.

I think Carter is good, just think Allen is a little bit better. Suns need some draft capital coming back. Maybe it’s some seconds but that Nuggets first feels right to me.

Excellent clarification on the fit issue with Banchero. That makes sense.

[jredsaz]

Magic fans you prefer Allen to CJ ?.

As a Suns fan, I think Allen has more value due to his deal and defense. But it’s close.

[Whole Truth]

Magic fans you prefer Allen to CJ ?.

As a Suns fan, I think Allen has more value due to his deal and defense. But it’s close.

You could probably include his age as well though CJ has had better health at his advanced age but I don't think they're close offensively where Magic want creation ability with the elite spacing threat. Allen played in Memphis when I followed them. He's got nowhere the creation ability & playmaking CJ has on top of his 42% volume spacing.

If they value his age, defense & contract, then I agree with you.

If they want creation ability, playmaking & elite spacing, I think they should value CJ more. He's also supposed to be an on/off court veteran leader, which could benefit the young Magic team, something NO's valued in resigning him concerning Zion.

Magic are a good defensive team. In NO's they started 4 offensive players & one plus defender. So Magic should be able to compensate CJ's lack of defense better than NO's could.

Overall I agree it's close based on what they value most in either target. Having said that, Magic fans didn't even want to offer WCJ for him, more less additional value.

[Skybox]

In a vacuum, CJ addresses much more of what ORL needs than Allen, who is simply an upgrade over Gary Harris and a (very good but limited) role player.

[jredsaz]

In a vacuum, CJ addresses much more of what ORL needs than Allen, who is simply an upgrade over Gary Harris and a (very good but limited) role player.

But the salary difference allows for more additions and flexibility annd CJs defense is rough. Also think Allen’s skills are being a little underrated. He isn’t near the shot creator CJ is but his game is more complex than just a spot up shooter.

[Skybox]

In a vacuum, CJ addresses much more of what ORL needs than Allen, who is simply an upgrade over Gary Harris and a (very good but limited) role player.

But the salary difference allows for more additions and flexibility annd CJs defense is rough. Also think Allen’s skills are being a little underrated. He isn’t near the shot creator CJ is but his game is more complex than just a spot up shooter.

Allen's good but that wasn't the question

If it's "CJ or Allen and Tyus Jones"...I give you a different answer.