[Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M]

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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/78] 

Post#61 » by pillwenney » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:20 pm

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pillwenney wrote:All I can say is there are some lying numbers here then--or rather decontextualized numbers. Our bench over all was pretty weak this season outside of him, which I'd think would explain a lot of that. He was so, so obviously a lot better than Huerter this season, and did indeed operate as a third star at times.

It's also worth noting that it's kind of inaccurate to say his primary role was scoring, when he was around the top 20 in both assist percentage and assists/minute. He absolutely was a difference-maker. The team relied on him heavily and missed him a lot when he was hurt.


I'm willing to accept the numbers don't tell the whole story. But I'm not trying to lie with them I promise.

Like Colbini I think other players fit better with the two stars and I have that as more significant. I get sometimes someone has to carry a bench unit and suffers for it. But I also think the league is littered with guards who can put up numbers given the keys to a 2nd unit. Like how much worse are the Kings with say Jordan Clarkson or D. Russell in the same role?

And yes I am aware he is a tertiary playmaker for the Kings. But he's still a scorer first.


Lol, I'm aware that's not your intent.

I think the specific thing that makes Monk valuable to the Kings is that normally two players like him and Fox wouldn't fit together offensively (quick primarily score first guards). I think specifically because of their relationship and experience with each other, it really works in a way it normally wouldn't, and allows the Kings to stack a player type in a way that normally wouldn't work. This allows the Kings to basically stack a player type, and makes for a more dynamic attack that creates more mismatches.

Anyway, I'm rambling. My point is that no, I don't think Monk is necessarily all that much better than those guards you listed--not in a vacuum at least. But I do think he specifically works with Fox in a way other guards of his ilk would not, which makes him very valuable to the Kings.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/78] 

Post#62 » by jredsaz » Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:47 pm

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Agents canvass the market and know what’s out there prior to free agency. If there was potential for a better offer out there, Monk would have waited


Yes and No.

There could have been an offer out there, but maybe it isn't guaranteed. So do you, as a player, take 4/78 guaranteed or do you take the chance that 4/85 is out there but only say...30% of happening?

There definitely could have been more money available, but we don't know the certainty.


This. Orlando might be telling his people we have $90M waiting for you, but only if we strike out on Paul George, James Harden, and a couple guys we are trying to trade for. Meanwhile the Kings are saying we need to know before the draft if you are taking our best offer, otherwise we have to explore trades and we might not have the money for you.

Add in he likes it in Sacramento and this feels like a no brainer. I think people are also missing that while Monk has his best seasons, he wasn't actually that great. He wasn't very efficient for a guy whose primary role is to score. and the team was better in the Huerter or Ellis minutes at his position.

I think some of the talk here was this is a rising star, a real difference making type dude, and he's just not been that.


I was flat wrong. I thought he was getting $25M per. Just figured Monk would get the panic money from someone given the quality of the free agent class.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#63 » by They_Them_Hatin » Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:57 pm

People thought he was getting $100 million :lol: , this is a decent value for him. Kings need an athletic forward next to Sabonis.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#64 » by BoogieTime » Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:45 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Didn't think that he would accept only that amount....


I didn't think he would only get the early bird exception, and was probably right, but loyalty. Respect to Malik

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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#65 » by OxAndFox » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:29 pm

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2nd year? as in he'd have an option for three years?


No the option can only be in one of the years. So it can be in either 2nd, 3rd or 4th year, but only for that specific year, not the ones after.
If its in the 2nd year he can opt out and sign a new deal with the Kings and they have full bird rights.
That was all the talk of how the contract would be formed to keep the other bidders at bay, but I'm not sure if they needed it TBH. Think Monk simply likes it in Sacramento and he is happy with having generational wealth.


A contract can only have one option, and it can only be on the last year of the contract.


Ok. I am definitely misinformed then.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#66 » by OxAndFox » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:40 pm

Well it looks like Monk did leave a lot of money on the table to stay in Sacramento.
Think this is a fair contract for him though and what he brings to the table.
To me he needs to be the Monk that we saw in the first round against GSW.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#67 » by Pelon chingon » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:15 am

This was a simple risk vs reward situation. Monk didn't want to wait for the domino's to start falling and get left behind. Took good money to be in Cali with his homeboy easy call IMO.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#68 » by pillwenney » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:35 am

Slightly off topic, but I'm seeing others saying this puts the Kings a few mil over the tax. By my count, it's barely over (like a mil). In any case, the simplest option, it would seem, would be declining Duarte's TO, no? And if so, does anyone know when the deadline would be for that?
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#69 » by OxAndFox » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:45 am

pillwenney wrote:Slightly off topic, but I'm seeing others saying this puts the Kings a few mil over the tax. By my count, it's barely over (like a mil). In any case, the simplest option, it would seem, would be declining Duarte's TO, no? And if so, does anyone know when the deadline would be for that?


Yes I believe its like a mill over right now. Smitty was on Sactown Sports mentioning it.

Duarte's option has already passed I believe.
On Spotrac it says his 2025/26 qualifying offer deadline is June 29, 2024.
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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#70 » by Colbinii » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:46 am

pillwenney wrote:Slightly off topic, but I'm seeing others saying this puts the Kings a few mil over the tax. By my count, it's barely over (like a mil). In any case, the simplest option, it would seem, would be declining Duarte's TO, no? And if so, does anyone know when the deadline would be for that?


Check the deadline on Spotrac.

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Re: [Wojnarowski]: Monk To Re-Sign In Sacramento [4/$78M] 

Post#71 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:42 am

OxAndFox wrote:
pillwenney wrote:Slightly off topic, but I'm seeing others saying this puts the Kings a few mil over the tax. By my count, it's barely over (like a mil). In any case, the simplest option, it would seem, would be declining Duarte's TO, no? And if so, does anyone know when the deadline would be for that?


Yes I believe its like a mill over right now. Smitty was on Sactown Sports mentioning it.

Duarte's option has already passed I believe.
On Spotrac it says his 2025/26 qualifying offer deadline is June 29, 2024.



For rookie contracts, the option is always a full season ahead of time. Duarte’s option for this upcoming year had to be decided before the 2023/24 season tipped off, so back in October of 2023. He’s fully guaranteed for next year.

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