Suns and Cavs

[Sactowndog]

2nd apron going to kill this board lol

Might be good to have a 2nd Apron pinned thread with 2nd Apron teams a 2nd Apron rules.

[jredsaz]

Horrific for Cleveland. I'd consider this if it was 2017.

Cavs probably have the second best odds to win the East next year after this trade.

Would've like to play that last Celtics series with a healthy Allen and Mitchell. As it was, we were as competitive as ony of their opponents without them.

Yeah, not sure how much that says. I agree you would have been more competitive but no one in the East, everyone fully healthy, was all that close to the Celtics.

[jbk1234]

Cavs probably have the second best odds to win the East next year after this trade.

Would've like to play that last Celtics series with a healthy Allen and Mitchell. As it was, we were as competitive as ony of their opponents without them.

Yeah, not sure how much that says. I agree you would have been more competitive but no one in the East, everyone fully healthy, was all that close to the Celtics.

I don't know how you can know that. The series was 2-1 when Mitchell went down (and he was clearly hurt in Game 3). Even without Allen and Mitchell, neither Games 4 nor 5 were blowouts.

[jredsaz]

Would've like to play that last Celtics series with a healthy Allen and Mitchell. As it was, we were as competitive as ony of their opponents without them.

Yeah, not sure how much that says. I agree you would have been more competitive but no one in the East, everyone fully healthy, was all that close to the Celtics.

I don't know how you can know that. The series was 2-1 when Mitchell went down (and he was clearly hurt in Game 3). Even without Allen and Mitchell, neither Games 4 nor 5 were blowouts.

No Porzingis too. Boston was the best team in the NBA when healthy all season. Assuming health, I think the Celtics were a safe bet.

[jredsaz]

Durant was all NBA second team last year, whereas Garland is probably a negative contract and Phoenix would be cluttered at the guard position.

Garland absolutely is not a negative contract. Nope.

Sure, this would “clutter” the guard spots for Phoenix. And with their likely inability to move Beal, this would be a problem. That’s absolutely fair to say.

Evan Mobley hasn't developed as much as you'd since entering the league. The Suns would probably have to pay a lot of money to retain him in the hope that he lives up to his promise on a new team.

Wow. Wildly disagree. Mobley has been an absolute defensive presence in his time in the league. And with Garland and Mitchell, he’s never even gotten 21% usage. There’s absolute potential on offense for him, and signs he could continue to add a long range shot to his game. He’s insanely valuable on the open market. Maybe more so than Durant, at this time?

Trade help balance the Cavs roster, but doesn't help the Suns at all unless they can flip Beal and Nurkic in seperate deals.

I think if Phoenix could add Evan Mobley to pair long term with Booker, they absolutely would and wouldn’t worry about Beal’s or Nurkic’s. And to get Garland, too? That’s amazing value, and a pretty solid overpay for Durant, at this time.

You think the Suns would trade Durant for Mobley + filler right now? Is that what you’re saying?

[mcfly1204]

Yeah, not sure how much that says. I agree you would have been more competitive but no one in the East, everyone fully healthy, was all that close to the Celtics.

I don't know how you can know that. The series was 2-1 when Mitchell went down (and he was clearly hurt in Game 3). Even without Allen and Mitchell, neither Games 4 nor 5 were blowouts.

No Porzingis too. Boston was the best team in the NBA when healthy all season. Assuming health, I think the Celtics were a safe bet.

With a healthy Dean Wade, that series would have been Cleveland in 4.

[jredsaz]

I don't know how you can know that. The series was 2-1 when Mitchell went down (and he was clearly hurt in Game 3). Even without Allen and Mitchell, neither Games 4 nor 5 were blowouts.

No Porzingis too. Boston was the best team in the NBA when healthy all season. Assuming health, I think the Celtics were a safe bet.

With a healthy Dean Wade, that series would have been Cleveland in 4.

man I’m not trying to be a dick or a hindsight guy. Injuries are part of the game. Impossible to predict how games/series would change with hypothetical health. Just saying the Celtics 82-19 this season and top three in both O & D efficiency. Last season Cavs were not that.

[Scoot McGroot]

Durant was all NBA second team last year, whereas Garland is probably a negative contract and Phoenix would be cluttered at the guard position.

Garland absolutely is not a negative contract. Nope.

Sure, this would “clutter” the guard spots for Phoenix. And with their likely inability to move Beal, this would be a problem. That’s absolutely fair to say.

Evan Mobley hasn't developed as much as you'd since entering the league. The Suns would probably have to pay a lot of money to retain him in the hope that he lives up to his promise on a new team.

Wow. Wildly disagree. Mobley has been an absolute defensive presence in his time in the league. And with Garland and Mitchell, he’s never even gotten 21% usage. There’s absolute potential on offense for him, and signs he could continue to add a long range shot to his game. He’s insanely valuable on the open market. Maybe more so than Durant, at this time?

Trade help balance the Cavs roster, but doesn't help the Suns at all unless they can flip Beal and Nurkic in seperate deals.

I think if Phoenix could add Evan Mobley to pair long term with Booker, they absolutely would and wouldn’t worry about Beal’s or Nurkic’s. And to get Garland, too? That’s amazing value, and a pretty solid overpay for Durant, at this time.

You think the Suns would trade Durant for Mobley + filler right now? Is that what you’re saying?

I dont know what the Phoenix management would do at all. They’ve been focused on appearances so much since new ownership took over that I don’t know what they would do in most cases.

But depending on what the filler and rest of the package is? I think they should be ecstatic to get an Evan Mobley under team control for awhile, and he’d be a perfect long term fit with Booker. Clearly, Evan Mobley is one of the most valuable rookie contract players in the league in trade value, no?

[jredsaz]

Garland absolutely is not a negative contract. Nope.

Sure, this would “clutter” the guard spots for Phoenix. And with their likely inability to move Beal, this would be a problem. That’s absolutely fair to say.



Wow. Wildly disagree. Mobley has been an absolute defensive presence in his time in the league. And with Garland and Mitchell, he’s never even gotten 21% usage. There’s absolute potential on offense for him, and signs he could continue to add a long range shot to his game. He’s insanely valuable on the open market. Maybe more so than Durant, at this time?



I think if Phoenix could add Evan Mobley to pair long term with Booker, they absolutely would and wouldn’t worry about Beal’s or Nurkic’s. And to get Garland, too? That’s amazing value, and a pretty solid overpay for Durant, at this time.

You think the Suns would trade Durant for Mobley + filler right now? Is that what you’re saying?

I dont know what the Phoenix management would do at all. They’ve been focused on appearances so much since new ownership took over that I don’t know what they would do in most cases.

But depending on what the filler and rest of the package is? I think they should be ecstatic to get an Evan Mobley under team control for awhile, and he’d be a perfect long term fit with Booker. Clearly, Evan Mobley is one of the most valuable rookie contract players in the league in trade value, no?

I’m not sure where you draw the line for most valuable rookie scale contracts but probably. Definitely have home top 7-8. I think he is a good young player. Don’t know if his offense or defensive versatility will translate into a top 25 guy. I like him a lot. There is just no way that’s something the Suns are doing right now.