Windy City Sell-Off and Off-Season V1

[Colbinii]

I think its been mentioned by many sources that there is very little market for Lavine. Dont see why a team that just made the Finals with a near max small guard with an injury history should trade a first, a recent first, and an expiring for Lavine.

Well they are also getting back 2nds, trading a bad contract [Green] and trading an often injured player [Kleber].

I get just glossing over everything that hurts your argument here, and while the overwhelming majority of comments here are "LaVine isn't worth this", it is best to engage in honest discussion and not omit certain parts of a trade which paint it even worse than it already is

[daoneandonly]

I think its been mentioned by many sources that there is very little market for Lavine. Dont see why a team that just made the Finals with a near max small guard with an injury history should trade a first, a recent first, and an expiring for Lavine.

Well they are also getting back 2nds, trading a bad contract [Green] and trading an often injured player [Kleber].

I get just glossing over everything that hurts your argument here, and while the overwhelming majority of comments here are "LaVine isn't worth this", it is best to engage in honest discussion and not omit certain parts of a trade which paint it even worse than it already is

I guess constantly defending your trades without ever once admitting okay I whiffed on that one is something you can never grow to.

Im the biggest Green hater on the board, but much rather have him at 12 mil and Maxi at 11 then Lavine at a full max. They are still depth, Lavine is often injured as is Kyrie, so just tossing aside 2 guys who played a good chunk of minutes in the postseason is fruitless

[Texas Chuck]

I think its been mentioned by many sources that there is very little market for Lavine. Dont see why a team that just made the Finals with a near max small guard with an injury history should trade a first, a recent first, and an expiring for Lavine.

Well they are also getting back 2nds, trading a bad contract [Green] and trading an often injured player [Kleber].

I get just glossing over everything that hurts your argument here, and while the overwhelming majority of comments here are "LaVine isn't worth this", it is best to engage in honest discussion and not omit certain parts of a trade which paint it even worse than it already is

I guess constantly defending your trades without ever once admitting okay I whiffed on that one is something you can never grow to.

Im the biggest Green hater on the board, but much rather have him at 12 mil and Maxi at 11 then Lavine at a full max. They are still depth, Lavine is often injured as is Kyrie, so just tossing aside 2 guys who played a good chunk of minutes in the postseason is fruitless

I have no idea if Colbini is willing to consider that his idea might be a miss, but he makes a reasonable request that we evaluate the deal in full before saying we don't like it. Which you are now doing.

But we do see far too often on this board people misrepresenting trades so they can more readily justify not liking them from their favorite team's perspective and that really gets us nowhere.

The trade off here for Dallas is offensive talent for depth players and some minor incentive. I too think LaVine's market is soft enough that Dallas could swap Powell in for Prosper and Chicago likely still takes this exit ramp. And at that point I think Dallas should at least consider it--if they can find a defender with the TMLE.

You don't have to agree of course. But we have to acknowledge some of the money off-set here that Dallas moves.

[daoneandonly]

Well they are also getting back 2nds, trading a bad contract [Green] and trading an often injured player [Kleber].

I get just glossing over everything that hurts your argument here, and while the overwhelming majority of comments here are "LaVine isn't worth this", it is best to engage in honest discussion and not omit certain parts of a trade which paint it even worse than it already is

I guess constantly defending your trades without ever once admitting okay I whiffed on that one is something you can never grow to.

Im the biggest Green hater on the board, but much rather have him at 12 mil and Maxi at 11 then Lavine at a full max. They are still depth, Lavine is often injured as is Kyrie, so just tossing aside 2 guys who played a good chunk of minutes in the postseason is fruitless

I have no idea if Colbini is willing to consider that his idea might be a miss, but he makes a reasonable request that we evaluate the deal in full before saying we don't like it. Which you are now doing.

But we do see far too often on this board people misrepresenting trades so they can more readily justify not liking them from their favorite team's perspective and that really gets us nowhere.

The trade off here for Dallas is offensive talent for depth players and some minor incentive. I too think LaVine's market is soft enough that Dallas could swap Powell in for Prosper and Chicago likely still takes this exit ramp. And at that point I think Dallas should at least consider it--if they can find a defender with the TMLE.

You don't have to agree of course. But we have to acknowledge some of the money off-set here that Dallas moves.

I dont think lavine warrants a first any longer, he's often injured and is a liability on D. For a like Dallas where Kyrie and Luka have their own defensive shortcomings and injury issues, makes even less sense. Dallas first is worth way more than 2 Chicago 2nds. Green and Maxi have flaws left and right, but combined they make less than half of Lavine. THJ's expiring is better to just let expire if the best thing they can get for him is Kevin Martin Jr with better hops.

[jayjaysee]

LaVine played 77 games in 2022-2023 and 67 the year before. The year before that he only played in 58 games but averaged 27ppg on a 50/41/85 split.

Nothing Dallas actually trades here is worth a 77 game season of 24ppg with a 60 TS% even if that’s all he did.. definitely overpaid and miscast as a first option, but Dallas gives up very little here..

The ability to build a roster/defense definitely should be factored in though.

[ChettheJet]

1) No for the Bulls, they really don't want to start off getting 2 backup PFs, Bertans makes too much even for one year, Nnaji is 3rd string at best, his highest minutes played is 17, yeah a championship team but that doesn't mean he will suddenly blossom after 5 years in the league. I doubt a lottery pick makes this look good.

2) Is why I stick with the notion that trading Lavine needs to be a 3 or 4 team trade. No one team has enough useful assets that they can give up in one trade and still have a contending rotation. The Bulls, if done with the #1 trade, end up with a 3rd PF in Kleber who isn't much more than Bertans, THJ who they don't have any minutes for, Green who is a smaller version of Nnaji having not done very much but signed for way too long. And OMP seriously he'd be the 4th backup PF

It's great to come up with trades that look like equal value and the money works out and add picks but when you completely ignore where it leaves the teams involved on the depth chart, you're wasting your time.

[Colbinii]

I guess constantly defending your trades without ever once admitting okay I whiffed on that one is something you can never grow to.

Im the biggest Green hater on the board, but much rather have him at 12 mil and Maxi at 11 then Lavine at a full max. They are still depth, Lavine is often injured as is Kyrie, so just tossing aside 2 guys who played a good chunk of minutes in the postseason is fruitless

I have no idea if Colbini is willing to consider that his idea might be a miss, but he makes a reasonable request that we evaluate the deal in full before saying we don't like it. Which you are now doing.

But we do see far too often on this board people misrepresenting trades so they can more readily justify not liking them from their favorite team's perspective and that really gets us nowhere.

The trade off here for Dallas is offensive talent for depth players and some minor incentive. I too think LaVine's market is soft enough that Dallas could swap Powell in for Prosper and Chicago likely still takes this exit ramp. And at that point I think Dallas should at least consider it--if they can find a defender with the TMLE.

You don't have to agree of course. But we have to acknowledge some of the money off-set here that Dallas moves.

I dont think lavine warrants a first any longer, he's often injured and is a liability on D. For a like Dallas where Kyrie and Luka have their own defensive shortcomings and injury issues, makes even less sense. Dallas first is worth way more than 2 Chicago 2nds. Green and Maxi have flaws left and right, but combined they make less than half of Lavine. THJ's expiring is better to just let expire if the best thing they can get for him is Kevin Martin Jr with better hops.

Sure, so take out the 1st and 2nds.

[Colbinii]

1) No for the Bulls, they really don't want to start off getting 2 backup PFs, Bertans makes too much even for one year, Nnaji is 3rd string at best, his highest minutes played is 17, yeah a championship team but that doesn't mean he will suddenly blossom after 5 years in the league. I doubt a lottery pick makes this look good.

I think the Bulls or Charlotte could guarantee part or Bertans or even not use Bertans at all if that is a point of contention.

2) Is why I stick with the notion that trading Lavine needs to be a 3 or 4 team trade. No one team has enough useful assets that they can give up in one trade and still have a contending rotation. The Bulls, if done with the #1 trade, end up with a 3rd PF in Kleber who isn't much more than Bertans, THJ who they don't have any minutes for, Green who is a smaller version of Nnaji having not done very much but signed for way too long. And OMP seriously he'd be the 4th backup PF

It's great to come up with trades that look like equal value and the money works out and add picks but when you completely ignore where it leaves the teams involved on the depth chart, you're wasting your time.

Well good think I literally wrote out the Bulls Depth Chart

It isn't be ignoring the depth chart of the teams involved. Someone else, maybe?

And, FWIW, Kleber is every bit a Center as he is a PF.