Another Wiggins to Dallas, with Wizards

[Texas Chuck]

Wizards first guarantee the contract of Shamet.

Wizards trade: Kispert/Shamet/#52
Wizards get: THJ/Powell/#60, 2025 DAL 1st (top 1, then 25 TOR 2nd)

Warriors trade: Wiggins/#53
Warriors get: Kleber/Shamet/Prosper/#52

Mavs trade: Kleber/Powell/THJ/Prosper/#60, 25 DAL 1st
Mavs get: Wiggins/Kispert/#53

okay the shifting of 2nds is probably over cute, but

Wizards get a first out of Kispert by taking on some salary.
Warriors turn Wiggins into a mobile big, a shooting wing, and a big defensive prospect. Also get to jump one shot in the 2nd. Clear some more room under the tax/apron
Mavs get Wiggins as an upgrade to Jones and add a bench shooter in Kispert, move up a few spots in the 2nd.

[Godaddycurse]

Its pick 58, not 60. Shamet should be cut out of the deal altogether? He is unguaranteed

[gswhoops]

Is Shamet better than THJ? Genuinely curious.

[Texas Chuck]

Its pick 58, not 60. Shamet should be cut out of the deal altogether? He is unguaranteed

Oh yeah forgot about the forfeited picks. I thought GSW might want him, but yeah can take him out otherwise.

[DonaldSanders]

Fine for Dallas and the Wizards, and I could see this if the Warriors were re-building, but I don't get it for the Warriors who are not giving up yet. Klay's salary shed/reduced & CP3 being gone will take care of the need for reduced salary.

Wiggins is a valuable defender still (albeit overpaid) as either POA or help/scramble guy and does a decent job on Luka, and there aren't many people who can do at least decent. And in general last season the Warriors had too many 'kinda good but not good' guys and struggled including everyone in the rotation.

I doubt Wiggins is gone unless the Warriors include him in a trade they see as a clear upgrade, but Wiggins trades usually don't work because goals don't match. Same story as last year, but I get why he is a popular trade target.

[Texas Chuck]

Is Shamet better than THJ? Genuinely curious.

IDK. He's cheaper though. Obviously if GSW wants to just do THJ/Maxi for Wiggins, I think Dallas does that and can look for a shooter separately.

[BeiBeau]

More expensive then I’d like for Dallas so I think that it’s about right. I’d for sure do it.

Dallas gets Kispert bird rights correct?

And this doesn’t hard cap us so we can use the TMLE

[Texas Chuck]

More expensive then I’d like for Dallas so I think that it’s about right. I’d for sure do it.

Dallas gets Kispert bird rights correct?

And this doesn’t hard cap us so we can use the TMLE

Yeah Dallas sends out more total salary so no hard cap. Dallas would have both Bird and restricted rights on Kispert next summer.

[BeiBeau]

More expensive then I’d like for Dallas so I think that it’s about right. I’d for sure do it.

Dallas gets Kispert bird rights correct?

And this doesn’t hard cap us so we can use the TMLE

Yeah Dallas sends out more total salary so no hard cap. Dallas would have both Bird and restricted rights on Kispert next summer.

This also puts Dallas at a little over 7 million below the 1st apron with 11 players on the roster. Which means they can get 3 vet mins and a full TMLE.

If they do intend on using the 2nd though then that would eat into the TMLE. Just depends on how Nico evaluates who we get with the 2nd.

Does Dinwiddie take a full TMLE after LA didn’t exactly work out great and was bought out last season? Does Haywood Highsmith or Josh Okogie to give us some more POA off the bench? Does Kevin Love take some stretch 5 minutes(would definitely not give him more that 1 guaranteed year)? I think Sam Hausser gets more then the TMLE and Aaron Wiggins definitely gets more. McBuckets is a bit redundant with Kispert but 2 shooters better than 1 right?

I think Wiggins, Kispert, and a Full TMLE level player is enough that going into next season I think Dallas is good enough to go round again in the west and if we met the Celtics again I like our chances as long as Luka and Kyrie are healthy.

[righterwriter]

Zero interest for GS to downgrade talent in a massive way for an injured, 32 year old subpar guy who is owed $22M ovre the next two years.

[jayjaysee]

I like it for Dallas and Washington.

If GSW is shopping Wiggins, I don’t think they do better than this. If GSW only wants to trade Wiggins if it’s for an upgrade, this deal should be built into that. Save that team money and get a minor asset.

[Michaellam1987]

Wizards first guarantee the contract of Shamet.

Wizards trade: Kispert/Shamet/#52
Wizards get: THJ/Powell/#60, 2025 DAL 1st (top 1, then 25 TOR 2nd)

Warriors trade: Wiggins/#53
Warriors get: Kleber/Shamet/Prosper/#52

Mavs trade: Kleber/Powell/THJ/Prosper/#60, 25 DAL 1st
Mavs get: Wiggins/Kispert/#53

okay the shifting of 2nds is probably over cute, but

Wizards get a first out of Kispert by taking on some salary.
Warriors turn Wiggins into a mobile big, a shooting wing, and a big defensive prospect. Also get to jump one shot in the 2nd. Clear some more room under the tax/apron
Mavs get Wiggins as an upgrade to Jones and add a bench shooter in Kispert, move up a few spots in the 2nd.

Terrible trade for GSW. Loss a key starter and get players that can’t even crack into rotation.

[daoneandonly]

What in the world are the Wiz giving up to warrant getting essentially an unprotected pick? Paying THJ for one eyar and Powell for 2 instead of not guarenteeing Shamet?

I hate to do the lazy same race comparisons, but in this case the shoe fits. Corey Kispert is Jason Kapono, you dont trade limited assets like a FRP for guys like that

[jayjaysee]

What in the world are the Wiz giving up to warrant getting essentially an unprotected pick? Paying THJ for one eyar and Powell for 2 instead of not guarenteeing Shamet?

24 million of unwanted salary and a guy that can efficient points on his own and space the floor.

It’s worth a first..

[daoneandonly]

What in the world are the Wiz giving up to warrant getting essentially an unprotected pick? Paying THJ for one eyar and Powell for 2 instead of not guarenteeing Shamet?

24 million of unwanted salary and a guy that can efficient points on his own and space the floor.

It’s worth a first..

Thats a generous depiction of Kispert. I concede you knwo far more about all things basketball than I do, but sadly living in the DMV I'm all too familiar with the Wizards. Kispert is JAG, the definition of such. In just another thread many agreed that Trent Jr was JAG, Corey is in the same boat with just as putrid D.

WIggins has proven in Minny and Cali that he can check out at the drop of a hat. I understand Dallas is shedding some bad money here, but I dont agree with giving up a 1st (which we have so little of) for WIggins/Kispert.

[jayjaysee]

What in the world are the Wiz giving up to warrant getting essentially an unprotected pick? Paying THJ for one eyar and Powell for 2 instead of not guarenteeing Shamet?

24 million of unwanted salary and a guy that can efficient points on his own and space the floor.

It’s worth a first..

Thats a generous depiction of Kispert. I concede you knwo far more about all things basketball than I do, but sadly living in the DMV I'm all too familiar with the Wizards. Kispert is JAG, the definition of such. In just another thread many agreed that Trent Jr was JAG, Corey is in the same boat with just as putrid D.

WIggins has proven in Minny and Cali that he can check out at the drop of a hat. I understand Dallas is shedding some bad money here, but I dont agree with giving up a 1st (which we have so little of) for WIggins/Kispert.

I’m not trying to pitch Kispert as more than JAG… But how many better guys on offense does Dallas have?

I think you take it as me valuing Kispert, when really it’s just acknowledging he’d do what Dallas desperately needed THJ to do. And will not be leaving the team for 5 years if Dallas wants..

Wiggins is definitely a risk. But the good Wiggins is probably enough that the Finals look a bit more respectable.

It’s bargain shopping. But that is realistically what Dallas ends up doing this offseason, right? Then you decide if you want to dump Green to keep DJJ, or keep Green and use the taxMLE. And you just leave with the roster you have until Kyrie declines. And at least you didn’t trade the 2031 first..

[nate33]

I'm not interested in trading Kispert and $13M in extra salary for a late 2025 FRP.

[penbeast0]

For Washington the issue is whether the Dallas 1st has enough variability to be worth both Kispert and THJ's cap space. It's basically a question of whether Luca stays healthy, in which case Dallas gets the better of this deal, or Luca gets injured in which case Washington should get good value. Luca has been a healthy player so far in his career but this is the modern NBA so there's always that chance.

[aguiar95]

If Wiggins isn't available for filler (THJ/Kleber) than DAL shouldn't be that interested. Wouldn't add Prosper to that (maybe 2 2nds).

The WAS part is boggling to me. We don't get cap space to use the NTMLE, basically an unprotected 1st for Kispert which should be a no (if nothing better comes up, save that pick for TDL).