Hunter for Gafford, Capela to Orlando

[jayjaysee]

Just building on my own bad ideas here. Not too sure about values here.

Dallas: Gafford, THJ, 2025 first (top 6 protected)
Dallas: Hunter, 18th

Dallas opens the full MLE (still need to dump Powell technically, but that seems easy) and drafts one of Eddy, Ware or Kyle to backup Lively. Or at 18 they can draft a guard/wing, in case they aren’t sure about DJJ sticking around then target a big with the MLE. YMMV.

Atlanta: Capela, Hunter, Sac first
Atlanta: Gafford and THJ

Atlanta takes care of their tax problem while keeping a good sized defensive center on roster for next two years. They will still have to balance their roster, but I don’t like 5 team trades. They might trade Murray for a wing. They might start Zacc number one and start him. Etc.

Orlando: 18th
Orlando: Capela, 2025 Sac first, 2025 Dallas first (top 6 protected)

Orlando adds a defensive center on an expiring contract to split minutes with WCJ. The rest of their cap space can be focused on overpaying a guard while they gain two more future firsts for the bench once the roster gets expensive..

[daoneandonly]

I was a big HUnter fan for quite a while, but he's never lived up to the hype, and thats not even considering his injury woes. I'd also take out the FRP Dallas is giving up and pick this year they are getting back. Not just because this draft si said to be weak, but think the future pick in hand is just way more valuable.

Id also look to add a vet center to backup Lively if we are giving up Gaff, not a rookie. Dont think we'll get lucky 2 straight years with a big who's ready to contribute right out the gate

[jayjaysee]

I was a big HUnter fan for quite a while, but he's never lived up to the hype, and thats not even considering his injury woes. I'd also take out the FRP Dallas is giving up and pick this year they are getting back. Not just because this draft si said to be weak, but think the future pick in hand is just way more valuable.

Id also look to add a vet center to backup Lively if we are giving up Gaff, not a rookie. Dont think we'll get lucky 2 straight years with a big who's ready to contribute right out the gate

This draft has a couple bigs that might not have the highest realistic ceilings, but project really well. And Dallas keeps Maxi here and can sign a vet min if needed for added insurance I guess.

But I think we disagree overall.. I have pick 18 in this draft as a pretty normal 18th. You can fall in love with Shannon, George, Ware, Tyson, Flip.. etc. some might be reaches 18th or some might not be there. But there’s guys that will overplay their draft position.

Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I’m still one that just thinks this draft lacks those top 2-4 prospects that get teams really excited.

[gswhoops]

I was a big HUnter fan for quite a while, but he's never lived up to the hype, and thats not even considering his injury woes. I'd also take out the FRP Dallas is giving up and pick this year they are getting back. Not just because this draft si said to be weak, but think the future pick in hand is just way more valuable.

Id also look to add a vet center to backup Lively if we are giving up Gaff, not a rookie. Dont think we'll get lucky 2 straight years with a big who's ready to contribute right out the gate

This draft has a couple bigs that might not have the highest realistic ceilings, but project really well. And Dallas keeps Maxi here and can sign a vet min if needed for added insurance I guess.

But I think we disagree overall.. I have pick 18 in this draft as a pretty normal 18th. You can fall in love with Shannon, George, Ware, Tyson, Flip.. etc. some might be reaches 18th or some might not be there. But there’s guys that will overplay their draft position.

Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I’m still one that just thinks this draft lacks those top 2-4 prospects that get teams really excited.

Yeah I generally agree. This draft has a very weak top 5 but 10-30 are about on par with your average draft class. I think there might be a bit of recency bias at play because last year's draft had an abnormal number of immediate impact guys in the late lotto/teens range (Cason, Lively, Jaquez, Podz, Hawkins, etc.)

[Magic_Johnny12]

This would mean Orlando isn’t adding any significant free agents (which I don’t think they’re doing anyways) and Goga is not being retained (wants bigger role, too expensive etc.).

Under that premise, I actually don’t mind it. I think Orlando should trade this years pick for future pick considerations and Orlando being equipped with x4 FRP’s in a deep draft seems like a perfect opportunity for a big consolidation trade which almost seems inevitable.

I also don’t mind trading WCJ at this point to fill holes and just give Wagner the full backup role.

This also still leaves Orlando with enough money to get someone like Melton.

Good job OP.

[daoneandonly]

I was a big HUnter fan for quite a while, but he's never lived up to the hype, and thats not even considering his injury woes. I'd also take out the FRP Dallas is giving up and pick this year they are getting back. Not just because this draft si said to be weak, but think the future pick in hand is just way more valuable.

Id also look to add a vet center to backup Lively if we are giving up Gaff, not a rookie. Dont think we'll get lucky 2 straight years with a big who's ready to contribute right out the gate

This draft has a couple bigs that might not have the highest realistic ceilings, but project really well. And Dallas keeps Maxi here and can sign a vet min if needed for added insurance I guess.

But I think we disagree overall.. I have pick 18 in this draft as a pretty normal 18th. You can fall in love with Shannon, George, Ware, Tyson, Flip.. etc. some might be reaches 18th or some might not be there. But there’s guys that will overplay their draft position.

Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I’m still one that just thinks this draft lacks those top 2-4 prospects that get teams really excited.

I hear you, for me that 48 min of valuable center play with Lively/Gaff was huge in the team's success. I'd be reluctant to give that up unless its for a true 2 way SF who can make a diff. Now Hunter was projected to be that guy when he came out and by the eye test, but he just hasnt been. He's also always injured, with Kyrie's similar history, Lively getting hurt a decent amount hsi rookie year, and Luka's conditioning what it is, I just wouldnt take the risk.

So far the proposal I like best for a potential Gaff deal was one for Terrence Mann. But dont know if the Clipps would be interested.

[Skybox]

ORL shouldnt have any conversations with ATL without Murray as the starting point.

[dirkforpres]

Awful value for Dallas.

This means that Powell would go back to being the primary backup big, they wont have the money to pay Derrick Jones, and wont have a pick next season in a loaded draft class.

[jayjaysee]

Awful value for Dallas.

This means that Powell would go back to being the primary backup big, they wont have the money to pay Derrick Jones, and wont have a pick next season in a loaded draft class.

The trade frees Dallas to pay DJJ about 10.5 million first year. Maybe he’s willing to sign for that with a 1+1 player option and Dallas will have early bird rights next year to full pay him... I doubt it.

Dallas can get to the full MLE by trading Powell for a true vet min. Or by trading Green for a guy making 2 million less.

Or you move on from DJJ as some expect Detroit to give him 15 mil a year and draft one of the mid first wings and hope to pick the right one. Use MLE on Jonas or such.

[tiderulz]

This would mean Orlando isn’t adding any significant free agents (which I don’t think they’re doing anyways) and Goga is not being retained (wants bigger role, too expensive etc.).

Under that premise, I actually don’t mind it. I think Orlando should trade this years pick for future pick considerations and Orlando being equipped with x4 FRP’s in a deep draft seems like a perfect opportunity for a big consolidation trade which almost seems inevitable.

I also don’t mind trading WCJ at this point to fill holes and just give Wagner the full backup role.

This also still leaves Orlando with enough money to get someone like Melton.

Good job OP.

Orlando has large cap space available, and they come away with Capela and Melton? That would be a failure in my books by the front office

[Texas Chuck]

This would mean Orlando isn’t adding any significant free agents (which I don’t think they’re doing anyways) and Goga is not being retained (wants bigger role, too expensive etc.).

Under that premise, I actually don’t mind it. I think Orlando should trade this years pick for future pick considerations and Orlando being equipped with x4 FRP’s in a deep draft seems like a perfect opportunity for a big consolidation trade which almost seems inevitable.

I also don’t mind trading WCJ at this point to fill holes and just give Wagner the full backup role.

This also still leaves Orlando with enough money to get someone like Melton.

Good job OP.

Orlando has large cap space available, and they come away with Capela and Melton? That would be a failure in my books by the front office

Yeah they get a couple future 1sts which will be nice to have as cheap labor as the young stars get paid or as future trade capital to add that final piece when the young stars are ready. But I think the team probably would rather add that talent now. The defense is so good. Banchero looks like he's for real.

It wouldn't be the end of the world to add a couple of vets who would fill roles while picking up assets, but it would feel like a letdown after such a good season. I felt like this after Dallas went to the WCF 2 years ago and then did very little to improve the roster.

[jayjaysee]

So.. Does Atlanta do their part of the deal?

Im kind of thinking I went wrong way in getting Dallas a mid first. I liked the idea, but probably more exciting/realistic to get a 3rd-4th year guy?

Like “better of Sac/Dallas 2025 firsts and Toronto 2nd” for Kessler?

How much more does it cost to add Capela to Utah?

Kessler/Hunter replacing THJ/Gafford and Dallas likely keeps their first anyways.

Or just dump Capela on a different team and keep the Sac first.

[dirkforpres]

Awful value for Dallas.

This means that Powell would go back to being the primary backup big, they wont have the money to pay Derrick Jones, and wont have a pick next season in a loaded draft class.

The trade frees Dallas to pay DJJ about 10.5 million first year. Maybe he’s willing to sign for that with a 1+1 player option and Dallas will have early bird rights next year to full pay him... I doubt it.

Dallas can get to the full MLE by trading Powell for a true vet min. Or by trading Green for a guy making 2 million less.

Or you move on from DJJ as some expect Detroit to give him 15 mil a year and draft one of the mid first wings and hope to pick the right one. Use MLE on Jonas or such.

Youre proposing way too much roster turnover and gambling on unknowns for a team that was just 3 wins away from winning the title.

Gafford is better than Jonas
Hunter is not significantly better than DJJ
Nobody is trading for Powell straight up
Josh Green would never be salary dumped
The 2025 FRP is immensely more valuable than a crappy non-lottery 1st in the 2024 draft

[tiderulz]

Awful value for Dallas.

This means that Powell would go back to being the primary backup big, they wont have the money to pay Derrick Jones, and wont have a pick next season in a loaded draft class.

The trade frees Dallas to pay DJJ about 10.5 million first year. Maybe he’s willing to sign for that with a 1+1 player option and Dallas will have early bird rights next year to full pay him... I doubt it.

Dallas can get to the full MLE by trading Powell for a true vet min. Or by trading Green for a guy making 2 million less.

Or you move on from DJJ as some expect Detroit to give him 15 mil a year and draft one of the mid first wings and hope to pick the right one. Use MLE on Jonas or such.

Youre proposing way too much roster turnover and gambling on unknowns for a team that was just 3 wins away from winning the title.

Gafford is better than Jonas
Hunter is not significantly better than DJJ
Nobody is trading for Powell straight up
Josh Green would never be salary dumped
The 2025 FRP is immensely more valuable than a crappy non-lottery 1st in the 2024 draft

Hunter is better than DJJ. Bigger, better shooter, better defender. the question is just how big the difference is.

[dirkforpres]

The trade frees Dallas to pay DJJ about 10.5 million first year. Maybe he’s willing to sign for that with a 1+1 player option and Dallas will have early bird rights next year to full pay him... I doubt it.

Dallas can get to the full MLE by trading Powell for a true vet min. Or by trading Green for a guy making 2 million less.

Or you move on from DJJ as some expect Detroit to give him 15 mil a year and draft one of the mid first wings and hope to pick the right one. Use MLE on Jonas or such.

Youre proposing way too much roster turnover and gambling on unknowns for a team that was just 3 wins away from winning the title.

Gafford is better than Jonas
Hunter is not significantly better than DJJ
Nobody is trading for Powell straight up
Josh Green would never be salary dumped
The 2025 FRP is immensely more valuable than a crappy non-lottery 1st in the 2024 draft

Hunter is better than DJJ. Bigger, better shooter, better defender. the question is just how big the difference is.

Thats debatable. Hunter is overpaid and cant stay healthy, and Jones will probably make half of what Hunter does next season

[tiderulz]

Youre proposing way too much roster turnover and gambling on unknowns for a team that was just 3 wins away from winning the title.

Gafford is better than Jonas
Hunter is not significantly better than DJJ
Nobody is trading for Powell straight up
Josh Green would never be salary dumped
The 2025 FRP is immensely more valuable than a crappy non-lottery 1st in the 2024 draft

Hunter is better than DJJ. Bigger, better shooter, better defender. the question is just how big the difference is.

Thats debatable. Hunter is overpaid and cant stay healthy, and Jones will probably make half of what Hunter does next season

i agree on Hunter's health and contract is higher than return. but Hunter as a player is better than DJJ. its not debatable that he is a better shooter and defender.

[daoneandonly]

Hunter is better than DJJ. Bigger, better shooter, better defender. the question is just how big the difference is.

Thats debatable. Hunter is overpaid and cant stay healthy, and Jones will probably make half of what Hunter does next season

i agree on Hunter's health and contract is higher than return. but Hunter as a player is better than DJJ. its not debatable that he is a better shooter and defender.

I dont know if its set in stone that Hunter is a better defender. ATl as a team sucks on D, with Capela and Murray, so Hunter has some culpability there.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, if Hunter isn’t better than DJJ.. the OP is terrible.

No reason to say anything else about it really.